Trump Impeachment Probe Confronts ‘Russian Way Of Doing Politics’ | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC


>>>IT WAS A REALLY BLUNT WAY TO>>>IT WAS A REALLY BLUNT WAY TO PUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE PUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE POINT. POINT. IT WAS A MONTH AFTER DONALD IT WAS A MONTH AFTER DONALD TRUMP HAD JUST BEEN ELECTED TRUMP HAD JUST BEEN ELECTED PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. QUOTE, AMERICANS ARE NO WISER QUOTE, AMERICANS ARE NO WISER THAN THE EUROPEANS WHO SAW THAN THE EUROPEANS WHO SAW DEMOCRACY YIELD TO FASCISM, DEMOCRACY YIELD TO FASCISM, NAZIISM, COMMUNISM. NAZIISM, COMMUNISM. OUR ONE ADVANTAGE IS THAT WE OUR ONE ADVANTAGE IS THAT WE MIGHT LEARN FROM THEIR MIGHT LEARN FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE. EXPERIENCE. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO DO SO. NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO DO SO. HERE ARE 20 LESSONS FROM THE HERE ARE 20 LESSONS FROM THE 20th CENTURY ADAPTED TO THE 20th CENTURY ADAPTED TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF TODAY. CIRCUMSTANCES OF TODAY. THAT WAS A FACEBOOK POST FROM A THAT WAS A FACEBOOK POST FROM A MONTH AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED. MONTH AFTER TRUMP WAS ELECTED. IT BASICALLY BROKE THE INTERNET IT BASICALLY BROKE THE INTERNET AT THE TIME. AT THE TIME. BY POPULAR DEMAND, IT SOON BY POPULAR DEMAND, IT SOON TURNED INTO THIS SURVIVOR’S TURNED INTO THIS SURVIVOR’S GUIDE OF A BOOK THAT LIKELY YOU GUIDE OF A BOOK THAT LIKELY YOU OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW HAVE A DOG OR SOMEONE YOU KNOW HAVE A DOG EARED COPY OF OR MAYBE THAT EARED COPY OF OR MAYBE THAT YOU’VE BEEN CARRYING AROUND IN YOU’VE BEEN CARRYING AROUND IN YOUR BAG FOR A COUPLE YEARS IF YOUR BAG FOR A COUPLE YEARS IF YOU’RE LIKE ME. YOU’RE LIKE ME. IT IS CALLED “ON TYRANNY: IT IS CALLED “ON TYRANNY: LESSONS FROM THE 20th CENTURY.” LESSONS FROM THE 20th CENTURY.” IT IS FILLED WITH SOBERING IT IS FILLED WITH SOBERING ADVICE FOR BEING A CITIZEN IN A ADVICE FOR BEING A CITIZEN IN A COUNTRY THAT IS AT RISK. COUNTRY THAT IS AT RISK. BAG CITIZEN WHERE DEMOCRATIC BAG CITIZEN WHERE DEMOCRATIC NORMS AND THE BASICS OF OUR NORMS AND THE BASICS OF OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT SUDDENLY SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT SUDDENLY DON’T SEEM LIKE A GIVEN ANYMORE. DON’T SEEM LIKE A GIVEN ANYMORE. IT’S NOT AN ACTIVIST’S GUIDE PER IT’S NOT AN ACTIVIST’S GUIDE PER SE, IT’S A SURVIVOR’S GUIDE. SE, IT’S A SURVIVOR’S GUIDE. “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ADVISED “THE NEW YORK TIMES” ADVISED APPROACHING IT LIKE A MEDICAL APPROACHING IT LIKE A MEDICAL PAMPHLET ON AN INFECTIOUS PAMPHLET ON AN INFECTIOUS DISEASE. DISEASE. QUOTE, READ IT CAREFULLY AND BE QUOTE, READ IT CAREFULLY AND BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SYMPTOMS. ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SYMPTOMS. CASE IN POINT, LESSON NUMBER CASE IN POINT, LESSON NUMBER TWO, DEFEND INSTITUTIONS. TWO, DEFEND INSTITUTIONS. INSTITUTIONS HELP US TO PRESERVE INSTITUTIONS HELP US TO PRESERVE DECENCY. DECENCY. THEY FALL ONE AFTER THE OTHER THEY FALL ONE AFTER THE OTHER UNLESS EACH IS DEFENDED FROM THE UNLESS EACH IS DEFENDED FROM THE BEGINNING. BEGINNING. SO CHOOSE AN INSTITUTION YOU SO CHOOSE AN INSTITUTION YOU CARE ABOUT A COURT, A LAW, A CARE ABOUT A COURT, A LAW, A LABOR UNION, AND TAKE ITS SIDE. LABOR UNION, AND TAKE ITS SIDE. THIS IS FROM LESSON 14. THIS IS FROM LESSON 14. ESTABLISH A PRIVATE LIFE. ESTABLISH A PRIVATE LIFE. NASTIER RULERS WILL USE WHAT NASTIER RULERS WILL USE WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT YOU TO PUSH YOUR THEY KNOW ABOUT YOU TO PUSH YOUR AROUND. AROUND. SCRUB YOUR COMPUTER OF MALWARE SCRUB YOUR COMPUTER OF MALWARE ON A REGULAR BASIS. ON A REGULAR BASIS. HAVE PERSONAL EXCHANGES IN HAVE PERSONAL EXCHANGES IN PERSON. PERSON. FOR THE SAME REASON, ROLE OF ANY FOR THE SAME REASON, ROLE OF ANY LEGAL TROUBLE. LEGAL TROUBLE. TRY NOT TO HAVE HOOKS. TRY NOT TO HAVE HOOKS. THIS IS FROM LESSON 5. THIS IS FROM LESSON 5. THIS HAS BEEN STUCK INTO ME LIKE THIS HAS BEEN STUCK INTO ME LIKE A SPLINTER UNDER A FINGER NAIL. A SPLINTER UNDER A FINGER NAIL. YOU WILL SEE WHY WHEN I TELL YOU YOU WILL SEE WHY WHEN I TELL YOU WHAT IT IS. WHAT IT IS. LESSONS 5 IS REMEMBER LESSONS 5 IS REMEMBER PROFESSIONAL ETHICS. PROFESSIONAL ETHICS. WHEN POLITICAL LEADERS ASSET WHEN POLITICAL LEADERS ASSET NEGATIVE EXAMPLE, PROFESSIONAL NEGATIVE EXAMPLE, PROFESSIONAL COMMITMENTS TO JUST PRACTICE COMMITMENTS TO JUST PRACTICE BECOME MORE IMPORTANT. BECOME MORE IMPORTANT. IT’S HARD TO SUBVERT A RULE OF IT’S HARD TO SUBVERT A RULE OF LAW STATE WITHOUT LAWYERS, OR TO LAW STATE WITHOUT LAWYERS, OR TO HOLD SHOW TRIALS WITHOUT JUDGES. HOLD SHOW TRIALS WITHOUT JUDGES. AUTHORITY CONTAINERS NEED AUTHORITY CONTAINERS NEED OBEDIENT CIVIL SERVANTS. OBEDIENT CIVIL SERVANTS. CONCENTRATION CAMP DIRECTORS CONCENTRATION CAMP DIRECTORS SEEK BUSINESSMEN INTERESTED IN SEEK BUSINESSMEN INTERESTED IN CHEAP LABOR. CHEAP LABOR. LIKE I SAID, STARK, RIGHT? LIKE I SAID, STARK, RIGHT? BUT IT IS NOT DRAWN UP FROM BUT IT IS NOT DRAWN UP FROM NOWHERE. NOWHERE. IT’S SPECIFICALLY DRAWN UP FROM IT’S SPECIFICALLY DRAWN UP FROM AN EXPERT’S HISTORY OF OTHER AN EXPERT’S HISTORY OF OTHER COUNTRIES, OTHER COUNTRIES NO COUNTRIES, OTHER COUNTRIES NO DUMBER AND NO WISER THAN OURS, DUMBER AND NO WISER THAN OURS, THAT NEVERTHELESS LOST THEIR THAT NEVERTHELESS LOST THEIR DEMOCRACIES AT SOME POINT IN THE DEMOCRACIES AT SOME POINT IN THE 20th CENTURY. 20th CENTURY. YALE PROFESSOR TIMOTHY SNIDER YALE PROFESSOR TIMOTHY SNIDER SPEAKS FIVE AND READS TEN SPEAKS FIVE AND READS TEN DIFFERENT EUROPEAN LANGUAGES. DIFFERENT EUROPEAN LANGUAGES. HE HAS STUDIED RUSSIA AND HE HAS STUDIED RUSSIA AND UKRAINE FOR A QUARTER CENTURY. UKRAINE FOR A QUARTER CENTURY. OUR COUNTRY IS NOW STARTING THE OUR COUNTRY IS NOW STARTING THE PROCESS OF IMPEACHING THE PROCESS OF IMPEACHING THE PROCESS BECAUSE OF HIM TRYING TO PROCESS BECAUSE OF HIM TRYING TO ENLIST THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE ENLIST THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AGAINST HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES, AGAINST HIS POLITICAL ENEMIES, ALSO APPARENTLY TO MUDDY THE ALSO APPARENTLY TO MUDDY THE WATERS ABOUT RUSSIA HELPING HIM WATERS ABOUT RUSSIA HELPING HIM WIN THE LAST ELECTION. WIN THE LAST ELECTION. BECAUSE OF THAT, I ASKED BECAUSE OF THAT, I ASKED PROFESSOR SNIDER IF HE WOULDN’T PROFESSOR SNIDER IF HE WOULDN’T MIND COMING TO THE STUDIO MIND COMING TO THE STUDIO TONIGHT TO HELP GIVE US HELP TONIGHT TO HELP GIVE US HELP WITH THIS. WITH THIS. HE’S JOINING US NOW, AUTHOR OF HE’S JOINING US NOW, AUTHOR OF “THE ROAD TO UNFREEDOM.” “THE ROAD TO UNFREEDOM.” PROFESSOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING PROFESSOR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HERE.>>VERY GLAD.>>VERY GLAD.>>LET ME JUST ASK YOU, AS A>>LET ME JUST ASK YOU, AS A HISTORIAN, AS A PUBLIC HISTORIAN, AS A PUBLIC INTELLIGENTUAL TO TALK TO PEOPLE INTELLIGENTUAL TO TALK TO PEOPLE ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO AMERICANS ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO AMERICANS ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO US ABOUT ABOUT RUSSIA, TALK TO US ABOUT FREEDOM AND THE CONTEXT OF WHAT FREEDOM AND THE CONTEXT OF WHAT HAPPENED IN OUR ELECTION, HOW HAPPENED IN OUR ELECTION, HOW ARE YOU FEELING THIS WEEK? ARE YOU FEELING THIS WEEK?>>I’M FEELING LIKE PEOPLE ARE>>I’M FEELING LIKE PEOPLE ARE UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING WHICH WE UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING WHICH WE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE NEEDED TO UNDERSTAND FROM THE BEGINNING, NAMELY, THAT WE’RE BEGINNING, NAMELY, THAT WE’RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. A LOT OF THE WAYS OUR DEMOCRACY A LOT OF THE WAYS OUR DEMOCRACY IS GOING SOUR HAPPENED ALREADY IS GOING SOUR HAPPENED ALREADY IN RUSSIA. IN RUSSIA. A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE A LOT OF THINGS THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE DOING TO US INVOLVE RUSSIANS ARE DOING TO US INVOLVE JUST KIND OF JOLLYING US ALONG. JUST KIND OF JOLLYING US ALONG. MR. TRUMP SAYING, WELL, YEAH, OF MR. TRUMP SAYING, WELL, YEAH, OF COURSE INTERFERING WITH SPECIAL COURSE INTERFERING WITH SPECIAL ELECTIONS OKAY. ELECTIONS OKAY. EVERYBODY DOES IT. EVERYBODY DOES IT. THAT’S EXACTLY THE LINE WHICH THAT’S EXACTLY THE LINE WHICH RUSSIA IS TRYING TO PUSH. RUSSIA IS TRYING TO PUSH. THERE AREN’T FACTS, THERE’S NOT THERE AREN’T FACTS, THERE’S NOT LAW, THERE’S NOT JUSTICE. LAW, THERE’S NOT JUSTICE. EVERYTHING’S REALLY A JOKE. EVERYTHING’S REALLY A JOKE. ONLY POWER MATTERS. ONLY POWER MATTERS. WHAT WE’RE SEEING TODAY IS HOW WHAT WE’RE SEEING TODAY IS HOW THIS FITS TOGETHER. THIS FITS TOGETHER. IT’S NOT JUST THAT RUSH HELPED IT’S NOT JUST THAT RUSH HELPED MR. TRUMP TO GET ELECTED, MR. TRUMP TO GET ELECTED, THERE’S A CERTAIN RUSSIAN WAY OF THERE’S A CERTAIN RUSSIAN WAY OF DOING POLITICS HAS SPREAD DOING POLITICS HAS SPREAD WIDELY. WIDELY.>>IS THE IDEA THAT THERE’S NO>>IS THE IDEA THAT THERE’S NO REASON FOR RUSSIA TO BE HELD TO REASON FOR RUSSIA TO BE HELD TO ACCOUNT FOR BAD BEHAVIOR BECAUSE ACCOUNT FOR BAD BEHAVIOR BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOOD BEHAVIOR, THERE IS NO MORAL BEHAVIOR, THERE IS NO MORAL LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD OR MORAL LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD OR MORAL EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF HOW EXPECTATION IN TERMS OF HOW COUNTRIES SHOULD BEHAVE, AND THE COUNTRIES SHOULD BEHAVE, AND THE U.S. AS THE WORLD’S POLICEMAN, U.S. AS THE WORLD’S POLICEMAN, THAT’S BASICALLY HOW THEY SOLD THAT’S BASICALLY HOW THEY SOLD THEIR INTERNATIONAL STANDING FOR THEIR INTERNATIONAL STANDING FOR A GENERATION NOW? A GENERATION NOW?>>LOGICALLY IT MAKES NO SENSE.>>LOGICALLY IT MAKES NO SENSE. EITHER THINGS ARE GOOD OR NOT EITHER THINGS ARE GOOD OR NOT GOOD. GOOD. IF IT’S BAD TO INVADE COUNTRIES IF IT’S BAD TO INVADE COUNTRIES ILLEGAL, IT’S BAD. ILLEGAL, IT’S BAD. WHETHER IT’S A ROCK OR UKRAINE. WHETHER IT’S A ROCK OR UKRAINE. WHAT YOU CAN’T SAY UNLESS YOU’RE WHAT YOU CAN’T SAY UNLESS YOU’RE A KID ON A PLAYGROUND, HE DID IT A KID ON A PLAYGROUND, HE DID IT SO IT’S OKAY FOR ME TO DO IT. SO IT’S OKAY FOR ME TO DO IT. EITHER THERE ARE PRINCIPLES OR EITHER THERE ARE PRINCIPLES OR THERE ARE NOT PRINCIPLES. THERE ARE NOT PRINCIPLES.>>WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS>>WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HIS PERSONAL LAWYER, MR. RUDY PERSONAL LAWYER, MR. RUDY GIULIANI, APPARENTLY TRYING TO GIULIANI, APPARENTLY TRYING TO ENLIST UKRAINE IN A NUMBER OF ENLIST UKRAINE IN A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT EFFORTS, WE’VE BEEN DIFFERENT EFFORTS, WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY, WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHICH IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT TRYING TO EITHER ENGINEER OR DIG TRYING TO EITHER ENGINEER OR DIG UP SOMETHING THAT WILL HURT JOE UP SOMETHING THAT WILL HURT JOE BIDEN, THAT WILL HURT THE BIDEN, THAT WILL HURT THE PRESIDENT’S POTENTIAL POLITICAL PRESIDENT’S POTENTIAL POLITICAL OPPONENT IN 2020, BEYOND THAT, OPPONENT IN 2020, BEYOND THAT, THOUGH, SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE THOUGH, SEEMS LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OTHER BEEN LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. THINGS. THEY’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR LAW THEY’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THE ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST THE ACCUSERS OF PAUL MANAFORT, ACCUSERS OF PAUL MANAFORT, PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT FORWARD PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT FORWARD EVIDENCE OF MANAFORT’S CORRUPT EVIDENCE OF MANAFORT’S CORRUPT BEHAVIOR IN UKRAINE THAT ENDED BEHAVIOR IN UKRAINE THAT ENDED UP GETTING HIM KICKED OFF THE UP GETTING HIM KICKED OFF THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN IN 2016 PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN IN 2016 THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO HIM GOING THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO HIM GOING TO JAIL WHERE HE SITS TODAY. TO JAIL WHERE HE SITS TODAY. THEY’RE TRYING TO UNDO THE THEY’RE TRYING TO UNDO THE PROSECUTION OF PAUL MANAFORT. PROSECUTION OF PAUL MANAFORT. THEY’RE ALSO TRYING TO UNDO THE THEY’RE ALSO TRYING TO UNDO THE INITIAL ATTRIBUTION OF THE 2016 INITIAL ATTRIBUTION OF THE 2016 ATTACK TO RUSSIA. ATTACK TO RUSSIA. THEY WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THEY WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE MAYBE RUSSIA DIDN’T ATTACK US. MAYBE RUSSIA DIDN’T ATTACK US. WHY IS ALL OF THIS HAPPENING WHY IS ALL OF THIS HAPPENING THROUGH UKRAINE? THROUGH UKRAINE?>>I’M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT>>I’M GLAD YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT TO START QUESTION BECAUSE I WANT TO START JUST BY REMINDING US ALL THAT JUST BY REMINDING US ALL THAT UKRAINE IS A REAL COUNTRY. UKRAINE IS A REAL COUNTRY. UKRAINE HAS REAL PROBLEMS. UKRAINE HAS REAL PROBLEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, UKRAINE WAS INVADED FOR EXAMPLE, UKRAINE WAS INVADED BY RUSSIA. BY RUSSIA. RUSSIA ANNEXED UKRAINIAN RUSSIA ANNEXED UKRAINIAN TERRITORY AND HAS TAKEN 12,000 TERRITORY AND HAS TAKEN 12,000 MORTAL CASUALTIES IN THIS WALL MORTAL CASUALTIES IN THIS WALL WHICH IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS WHICH IS ABOUT AS MUCH AS VIETNAM FOR US. VIETNAM FOR US. AND THE RUSSIAN WAR IN UKRAINE AND THE RUSSIAN WAR IN UKRAINE WAS JUST AS UNEXPECTED. WAS JUST AS UNEXPECTED. THIS IS A COUNTRY WITH 2 MILLION THIS IS A COUNTRY WITH 2 MILLION INTERNAL REFUGEES. INTERNAL REFUGEES. BUT THIS IS A PLACE THAT HELD BUT THIS IS A PLACE THAT HELD DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS THE LAST DEMOCRATIC ELECTIONS THE LAST ONE AND THIS ONE FREE AND FAIR. ONE AND THIS ONE FREE AND FAIR. THEY HAVE BIG PROSHZ. THEY HAVE BIG PROSHZ. WHAT THEY NEED FROM US IS TO WHAT THEY NEED FROM US IS TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO FOLLOW THE ENCOURAGE THEM TO FOLLOW THE RULE OF LAW. RULE OF LAW. THE TRAGIC THING, AS YOU SAY, THE TRAGIC THING, AS YOU SAY, ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW IS ABOUT WHAT’S HAPPENING NOW IS THAT WE’RE DOING THE OPPOSITE. THAT WE’RE DOING THE OPPOSITE. EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT MR. EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT MR. GIULIANI AND MR. TRUMP ARE DOING GIULIANI AND MR. TRUMP ARE DOING IS PUSHING THEM IN THE WRONG IS PUSHING THEM IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. DIRECTION. THEY’RE URGING THE PRESIDENT OF THEY’RE URGING THE PRESIDENT OF THE COMPANY TO BE CORRUPT. THE COMPANY TO BE CORRUPT. THEN THEY’RE SAYING YOUR OLD THEN THEY’RE SAYING YOUR OLD PROSECUTOR GENERAL, WHO PROSECUTOR GENERAL, WHO EVERYBODY AGREED WAS THE MOST EVERYBODY AGREED WAS THE MOST CORRUPT PERSON IN THE COUNTRY, CORRUPT PERSON IN THE COUNTRY, HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK. HE SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK. AND THEN YOU’RE INVESTIGATIVE AND THEN YOU’RE INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISTS, WHO ARE THE GOOD JOURNALISTS, WHO ARE THE GOOD GUYS IN THIS STORY, THOSE PEOPLE GUYS IN THIS STORY, THOSE PEOPLE ARE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED ARE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES, ENEMIES OF AMERICA. STATES, ENEMIES OF AMERICA. THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY FIND OUT THE THINGS WHO ACTUALLY FIND OUT THE THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT INEQUALITY, CORRUPTION, AND WAR. INEQUALITY, CORRUPTION, AND WAR. THAT FOR ME IS JUST AWFUL. THAT FOR ME IS JUST AWFUL.>>THE THING THAT IS, I THINK,>>THE THING THAT IS, I THINK, AS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS UKRAINE TO AS SOMEONE WHO KNOWS UKRAINE TO GET THAT LEVEL OF UKRAINE, WHAT GET THAT LEVEL OF UKRAINE, WHAT THIS IS GOING TO DO TO THEM AND THIS IS GOING TO DO TO THEM AND VIS-A-VIS WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO VIS-A-VIS WHAT THEY’RE GOING TO HANDLE IN TERMS OF RUSSIA, IT’S HANDLE IN TERMS OF RUSSIA, IT’S FASCINATING. FASCINATING. AND SO THE IDEA THAT THEY’RE AND SO THE IDEA THAT THEY’RE OVER THERE BASICALLY TUNING UP OVER THERE BASICALLY TUNING UP ALL THE GOOD GUYS AND HELPING ALL THE GOOD GUYS AND HELPING OUT — TUNING OUT THE GOOD GUYS OUT — TUNING OUT THE GOOD GUYS AND HELPING THE BAD GUYS, IT’S AND HELPING THE BAD GUYS, IT’S HARD FOR ME TO KNOW WHY THERE HARD FOR ME TO KNOW WHY THERE AND WHAT IT IS ABOUT UKRAINE AND WHAT IT IS ABOUT UKRAINE THAT HAS BECOME THEIR PLAYGROUND THAT HAS BECOME THEIR PLAYGROUND IN THIS WAY. IN THIS WAY.>>YEAH.>>YEAH. I MEAN, THERE ARE A COUPLE I MEAN, THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS GOING ON HERE. THINGS GOING ON HERE. FIRST, THEY CORRECTLY HAVE THE FIRST, THEY CORRECTLY HAVE THE INSTINCT THAT UKRAINE AND INSTINCT THAT UKRAINE AND AMERICA AND RUSSIA ARE PART OF AMERICA AND RUSSIA ARE PART OF ONE STORY. ONE STORY. IT’S JUST THEY HAVE IT WRONG IT’S JUST THEY HAVE IT WRONG HOW. HOW. AS RUSSIA WAS INVADING UKRAINE AS RUSSIA WAS INVADING UKRAINE IN 2014, IT WAS TRYING OUT THE IN 2014, IT WAS TRYING OUT THE HYBRID WAR STRATEGIES, THE CYBER HYBRID WAR STRATEGIES, THE CYBER WAR STRATEGIES IT USED IN 2016 WAR STRATEGIES IT USED IN 2016 AGAINST US. AGAINST US. IN THAT SENSE, IT IS ALL ONE IN THAT SENSE, IT IS ALL ONE STORY AND THE PERSONAL STORY AND THE PERSONAL CONNECTION OF PAUL MANAFORT, WHO CONNECTION OF PAUL MANAFORT, WHO IS THE ADVISER OF BOTH UKRAINIAN IS THE ADVISER OF BOTH UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT AND THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT AND THE AMERICAN PRESIDENT TO BE WAS THE PRESIDENT TO BE WAS THE EXCLAMATION POINT AT THE END OF EXCLAMATION POINT AT THE END OF ALL OF THAT. ALL OF THAT. SO THEY’RE RIGHT IT’S ALL SO THEY’RE RIGHT IT’S ALL CONNECTED BUT THEY’RE WRONG CONNECTED BUT THEY’RE WRONG ABOUT HOW. ABOUT HOW. WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS, BY THE WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS, BY THE WAY, THE SAME THING THAT THE WAY, THE SAME THING THAT THE RUSSIANS ARE SAYING, FOR RUSSIANS ARE SAYING, FOR EXAMPLE, A RUSSIAN SENATOR SAID EXAMPLE, A RUSSIAN SENATOR SAID TODAY WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS TODAY WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS THAT ACTUALLY THE WHOLE THING THAT ACTUALLY THE WHOLE THING WAS UKRAINE HELPING THE WAS UKRAINE HELPING THE DEMOCRATS, NOT RUSSIA HELPING DEMOCRATS, NOT RUSSIA HELPING THE REPUBLICANS AND MR. TRUMP. THE REPUBLICANS AND MR. TRUMP. AND THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD UP AND THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD UP THIS SORT OF COUNTERNARRATIVE THIS SORT OF COUNTERNARRATIVE WHICH THEY CAN USE AS A WHICH THEY CAN USE AS A BOOMERANG TO PUSH THE OTHER ONE BOOMERANG TO PUSH THE OTHER ONE BACK. BACK. THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS, BUT THE MOST OBVIOUS IS THIS, BUT THE MOST OBVIOUS IS IT’S JUST NOT TRUE. IT’S JUST NOT TRUE. THEY HAVE AN INSTINCT. THEY HAVE AN INSTINCT. THEY CAN SNIFF OUT WHO THE WORST THEY CAN SNIFF OUT WHO THE WORST PEOPLE ARE. PEOPLE ARE. THEY’RE VERY GOOD AT THAT, BUT THEY’RE VERY GOOD AT THAT, BUT THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR FACTS THEY DON’T HAVE THEIR FACTS STRAIGHT ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY STRAIGHT ABOUT WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AS THEY DON’T HAVE A HAPPENED AS THEY DON’T HAVE A BASIS ON WHICH TO BUILD THIS BASIS ON WHICH TO BUILD THIS ZUCKERKANDEL IF YOU CAN HOLD ON, ZUCKERKANDEL IF YOU CAN HOLD ON, PROFESSOR, I WANT TO ASK YOU PROFESSOR, I WANT TO ASK YOU ALSO HOW YOU THINK WE’RE DOING ALSO HOW YOU THINK WE’RE DOING AS A COUNTRY DEALING WITH THIS




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  1. Wow this is going to end badly for Trump and his band of crooks some of these guys are going to be in serious trouble listening to this guy, he's showed just how murky this is going to get, the glaring thing is how quiet Moscow Mitch and his mob are is Trump going to get thrown under the bus by the GOP, who have enabled Trump to do this will some leaders in the GOP going to fall as well…. It's going to get very interesting from here on

  2. My father taught US history for decades. To his dying day, he believed that our democracy was far more vulnerable to a hostile take-over than we are comfortable believing. He predicted that American politics would become so polarized, that it would inexorably lead to someone eventually flouting the Constitution to try and push a dictatorial agenda in which they believed they were above the law. His greatest fear in all of this, was that not enough would be done to stop it. And now I see it all unfolding.

  3. You mean the concentration camps at the southern border or just the regular mass incarceration that America has been practicing for decades on it's own citizens?

    Cheap labor you say?

  4. Do viewers ever tire of seeing the same "Revelations Leading to Trump's Fall!" over and over again? That has been going on since before he was elected. "He can't win." "He will never be elected." "He will be gone by next week!" Will you ever tire of seeing the same smirking face incessantly predicting Trump's demise?

    I'm talking to Americans, not the majority of MSNBC foreigner subscribers.

  5. I have not heard this discussed how millions of American Evangelicals want our Democracy to be splintered so they can establish a Theocracy or am I wrong? Why else would they have voted for Donald Trump. Along the way, they get Roe v. Wade overturned, creationism given equal time in public schools to evolution. When this happens, secular parents will have to home school their children and Evangelicals will have taken over public schools-BINGO. Put simply, the Tea Party has a well planned attack underway on our Democracy and Donald Trump presented them with the perfect opportunity using anarchy as a means to an end. In return, Donald Trump gets his picture hung in government facilities, not to mention the millions he's raking in by any means necessary.

  6. smeh, all of this stuff is based on facts. Facts don't matter to Republicans and Trump's base…nor to a large portion of the population, American or otherwise. Make stuff up. Then people will pay attention

  7. Seven decades of US interference in foreign governments, and only now (with the net) do average US Citizens actually hear anything about it, if they listen.
    If you have any doubt, do your own research:
    US toppling Democratic Governments and supporting Dictators in Argentina, Brazil, Honduras, El Salvador, Panama, Guatemala, San Salvador, Nicaragua, Venezuela, …
    The sick part of all this is they pretend it is to Support Democracy and they brutally crush open elections and subvertly support military dictators who are co-operative with big US based corporations. Thus US foreign meddling is used to increase US control and dominance over foreign natural resources and business. And no-one wonders why the Military budget needs to be 816 Billion a year, when the top 20 countries combined don't spend this much, and most are allies.
    Ironically US claims that similar actions by China or Russia are wrongful.

  8. Since fascism and nazism are the abbreviations for the members of the National SOCIALIST Party of the German Workers, "nazism" and "fascism" have been the forms of Communism aka Socialism. That political system was invented by the Jewish "philosopher" Karl Marks who wrote Communist Manifesto and Das Capital "to emancipate Jews".
    Now, tell me how not to be anti-semitic when listening to the Jewish putzheads like Chuck Schumer, Adam Schiff, B'nai Jeshurun Templar Jerrold “Waddler”, and psychos like Stephen Colbert and lesbian Rachel Maddow? They are all Jewish supporting their own man: Karl Marks. Oy vey!

  9. LET THEM GO AHEAD AND IMPEACH TRUMP…. HERE'S WHAT HAPPENS THEN……
    By: Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD, (Political Science)
    I have a degree in Political Science, and I am a card-carrying Libertarian. I've been studying politics and political history for the past 30 years. My specialty is U.S. Presidents. That said, I hope that the House of
    Representatives impeaches Trump. Let me tell you what will happen next!
    1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the
    Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.
    2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.
    3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President's attorneys will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THEY WANT.. That is different than the special counsel
    investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazile, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch,
    Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing cover up activities.
    A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger pointing will occur. Deals will start being made, and suddenly, a lot of democrats will start being charged and going to prison.
    All this, because, remember, the President's team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath – and they will turn on each other. That is already starting.
    4. Lastly, one more thing will happen, the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans believe
    that being impeached results in removal from office. They don't understand that phase 2 is a trial in and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans; they will
    determine what testimony is allowed — and *everything* will be allowed, including: DNC collusion with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up and
    destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information.
    They will incriminate each other for lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political actors, especially George Soros. After the Senate declines to convict the
    President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and other important issues that are actually killing people. And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole impeachment was rigged.
    So let's move on to impeachment.
    Hyram F. Suddfluffel, PhD

  10. Real Time host Bill Maher slammed Hunter Biden's business ties to Ukraine, suggesting MSNBC's Rachel Maddow would be talking about it constantly if it were one of President Trump's children.😱 "…but it's just- why can't politicians tell their f—–' kids, 'Get a job, get a godd–n job!''" Maher told the panel. "This kid was paid $600,000 because his name is Biden by a gas company in Ukraine, this SUPER-CORRUPT country that just had a revolution to get rid of corruption. It just looks bad…"
    Bill Maher.
    Thanks for the real Bill!

  11. Rachel Maddow's gets a hard time from people and she shouldn't. It's NOT her fault , she had know say in it. The problem stems from when GOD was giving out arseholes, he made a wee mistake with Rachel when he put teeth in hers🤣🤣🤣🤣..

  12. Trump for prison 2020. Nixon said I am not a crook, Trump says I have always been a crook 😋😊😀😆😉😁😂😅😂😅😂😅😂😅😄😃😄😅😄😅😄😅😄😁😅

  13. Trump will leave office without two things Obama has, the Nobel and respect 😅😄😂😁😂😃😄😄😅😅😃😅😄😃😄😅😅😄😄😃😁😁😂😅😂😅😂😅😋😊😀😄😃😀😄😆😃😄😅😄

  14. Vote out all Russian loving republicans, gutless traitor's. Putin's Mitch 🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠🛠

  15. I am an USA American first !
    I am also an honorably discharged military veteran.
    Trump has betrayed my country and me !
    You ???

  16. Sorry. Rachel's insistence in knowing why the Ukraine is at the center of all this was not addressed. Also, what about the international coup d'état a few years ago? Russia could not stop it? And why was Joe Biden's son earning $50,000 a week?

  17. Did not #DT ask the new premier to patch up his relationship with Mr Putin's Russia just a week ago? Why at every turn does Trump back the Russian view? Answer: Trump Tower Moscow + $200 billion Net Worth.

  18. Reductions of Public Subsidy, Institutions and Protections are an invisible Tax.
    Authoritarians attack this eternally as it causes human suffering. Suffering creates crime.
    Crime is the Nail in the fascist hammer store.
    Sanctions cause suffering which causes crime. Crime is pretext for invasion. Eternal War.
    [Deviance Amplification] Conflict Theory, Controlology, 1979
    [Social Control causes deviance]

  19. So…
    In order to avoid being corrupt we need to encourage the Ukraine to ignore the corruption of past administrations? Is it normal for the son of a Vice President to be paid $600,000,000.00 as an advisor for an Industry that he has absolutely no experience with. Yes, please read the book that Rachel is touting and see how up side down her arguments are.

  20. And please do not forget that Impeachment talks started long before the conversation with the Ukrainian president occurred. Impeachment is a tactic looking for an excuse.

  21. the sign of an engaged human:
    Mr. Snyder's first action was to turn over his piece of paper
    and prepare to take notes…
    So, from whom did the #happyvlad cabal learn how to play the 'game'?
    start with the brits and the 'game' of empire (Afghanistan, this is after all, I believe, the 5th war in 200 years)
    followed by the next empire to come along…
    yup…the yankee empire: and who died and made murica the 'world's policeman'?
    get off that high horse…
    has there ever been a 'liberal' regime in Russia?
    a few enlightened despots, yes, but mostly unenlightened ones…
    there was a slim glimmer of hope in the early 90's but Clinton blew that one
    by encouraging 'entrepreneurs' and trickle-down economics (which had already been disproven in his own country)
    I understand where #happyvlad is coming from…
    in his eyes the USSR was a proud 'superpower' capable of feeding and clothing it's citizens in a reasonably comfortable way,
    and, with Clinton's help, had become the preserve of a few ultrawealthy ex-apparatchiks who were
    at the behest of american venture capitalists…
    and then he got sucked into the 'game' too

  22. Actually it is well known in the U.S. and British intelligence agencies that trump has been a Russian plant since 1987. This is a multidecade big boy game. Using trump to flush out All the others. No worries.

  23. "Russian way to do politics has spread". That reminds me so much of what the Nazis said "Jewish way of politics" This racism is not right. Shame on you!

  24. Joe Biden is the Hillary Clinton of the 2020 elections..However, I would support him should he be the official DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE NOMINEE…#DEMOCRATICUNITY2020 #2020THEORANGESADA55CLOWNANDHISCIRCUSHAVEGOTTOGO

  25. Will you demand that Adam Schiff resign his seat as representative for the criminal slander against the president? If not, why not? Do you approve of Schiff's methods?

  26. "Russia has encouraged U.S. politics to drift away . . ." as if we all spend our time listening to Russian "encouragement." Exactly how did they encourage us, Rachel? Did they drop gum drops on the ground, hoping we would pick them up and follow those dastardly Russians down the primrose path? Rachel, you truly are laughable. Still waiting for the apology for two years of Russian "bombshells."

  27. TRE45ON

    The crime of treason usually only applies during a time of war.
    Many could argue that although we are not in an actual hot war with the
    Russians, they are indeed waging an undeclared 'cyber' war against the United
    States and the European Union. I find it difficult to think of any other word
    one could use for the multiple, varied and sustained electronic attacks that
    Vladimir Putin is conducting against our nations. Add to that the numerous
    assassinations and attempted assassinations carried out on our sovereign
    territories by paid Russian agents. Only somebody with either a vested interest
    or a perpensity toward gullibility would really try to deny the obvious situation

    we find ourselves in.

  28. JAVELIN ANTI TANK MISSILES. That is what Mr Trump was holding back from Ukraine.  Would you please get a Javelin and bring it into the studio so your viewers will get the picture. The Russians do not want the Ukrainians to be able to defend themselves.   FGM-148 Javelin

  29. Good opener. I've been thinking along the same lines for a while regarding Trump's abuses and the fervent, propaganda-based support he receives among so many Americans who evidently are in favor of his human rights abuses and actually believe the Russian-backed efforts to defame Democratic politicians and candidates in favor of Trump and the Trumpublicans.

  30. If knowing what now know, no longer s suspicion. The Russians put rhe gross man in office: should it call for automatic impeachment?
    If the Russians put him in office, he is an illegal president; therefore, he should be removed and indicted.

  31. When this hoax is over the democrats are going to start putting together their next plan to get rid of Trump. It will never end. I think we need to move on and let the left dismantle themselves. It's what they are good at.

  32. Remember back when crossing the line was getting head in your office from a fat chick that was not your wife? A much more simple time it was.

  33. That last bit, about how Trump supporters are now claiming Ukraine did the same thing for Hillary that Russia did for Trump, is correct. I asked a Trumpster how he felt about Trump applying mob-like pressure on Ukraine, and he excused it saying Trump and Guiliani was just trying to expose Ukrainian help for Democrats. And he equated the Russian espionage and propaganda campaign with exposure of Manafort's dirty dealing. This whole episode may be clear-cut for those who understand US election law and the Constitution, it isn't for ignorant people convinced everyone is corrupt.

  34. Great vid. Great interview! I've realized for a while, that there are a lot of parallels between Hitler and Putin, in terms of behavior, "reclaiming" or taking land, no value for human life, killing journalists and potential "opponents," etc. But what really disturbs me, is some of the parallels that I've noticed, between Trump and Hitler. And the Nazi's treatment of Jews, and our treatment of "illegal" migrants. It's somewhat comforting to know that others see some of these things as well. Great stuff! Trump, and Republicans, represent regression. It's that simple.

  35. Dear Rachel…. it is soooooo frustrating to come to the end of a segment, like this one and you say "we'll be right back" and leave us with no idea how to find the rest of this great interview! could MSNBC simply list it at the end of the segment in one of the small boxes so we don't have to rummage all over the place to find it? even did a youtube search on "Rachel Maddow" and found nothing… in fact there are lots of videos that leave me hanging thanks!

  36. Thank you, Rachel & Prof. Snyder. It seems crucial that this material is covered in our schools, lest “ history repeats itself”. Our children deserve this knowledge in order to preserve and defend our democracy in the future.
    I do believe some people need to be reminded that the majority of Americans did not vote for trump. What I cannot comprehend is why he was not removed as soon as we knew his election was manipulated by Putin. An illegitimate election results in an illegitimate president. Why hasn’t he been removed and all of the results of his actions , including the hiring of many unqualified people, been declared null and void? Why is an impeachment even necessary, when he was never legally declared a president? Surely, the circumstances of this phony election are illegal. God bless the “ whistleblower.” Thank God someone had the courage and love of country to speak up. May he or she be surrounded with love & protection, always.

  37. 4:10 Yes! This is part of what makes Russia's active measures against us so effective. They are "jollying us along" by encouraging radical elements in our society and just continually pouring a little gasoline on the existing embers. They help already-biased Americans to slander Democratic politicians and candidates, and they help boost the hateful and paranoid messages of xenophobes and conspiracy theorists. They use our own citizenry against the nation as a whole by amplifying those disruptive elements and helping spread destructive ideas and misinformation into the mainstream. This is how Hillary came to be viewed so negatively in the 2016 race. The methods were highly effective in light of the fact that Comey even publicly announced an investigation during the campaign. They and Trump were then able to play off of this, which created a nice amplifying effect for their anti-HRC efforts and really helped boost Trump by comparison. The hacking and dumping of DNC emails did likewise and was done at a key time to help shield Trump from blowback over the Billy Bush revelation.

  38. After this last push for impeachment, I am now voting Republican for the first time in my life.

    My own Democratic party has led me to this decision, with help from the media such as this an CNN etc.

  39. IF the signs and characteristics of Cluster B psychopaths/sociopaths/narcissists were taught to everyone, especially children, THIS WOULD NOT BE HAPPENING! "They" will always be around, but there are specific ways of dealing with them. Not just for the present moment in time, but for the sake of the future……LEARN THE SIGNS AND TEACH THEM TO CHILDREN!!!!!!!! Knowledge is the only way!!!! A psychopath is not merely a serial killer, a sociopath is not merely a shy person, and a narcissist is not someone who likes looking in the mirror. "They" are EVERYWHERE and nothing is more destructive and dangerous, or causes more pain than one of "them" , as they have NO CONSCIENCE. Do you realize what that REALLY means?

  40. Wow. The left is so delusional. How you can pull these accusations from a phone call that spoke to none of the accusations is absolutely ridiculous. Maddow is trash always has been.

  41. In Poland, my wife and I share a 600 sq ft. apartment; currently we are housing 3 Ukrainian refugees (from Donetsk: husband,wife and 8-year-old boy); no child to grow up where devastation, rubble and rockets/artillery flying overhead is "normal"… this is living history.

  42. The Ukraine has been a testing ground for finding a way to subjugate any Democratic process. A process of how far can a plan be taken before recognition of how immoral and or unjust another's actions may be, whether an individual or a group.
    We as a species are a slave to impulse. It would be wonderful if politicians, not just here but globally, had a moral high ground that was not below sea level. History is replete with unfinished campaign slogans. This country, my country, never stopped being GREAT. Those who believed that it stopped being great should be ashamed. Those in public office who went along for the ride believing America was no longer great should resign and find a truer more altruistic way of serving the public.

  43. I find it interesting you would bring in guest “ experts “ who have failed in their fields of expertise and expect us to take you seriously. We the people know better. Vote if you want change.

  44. I hear Putin would rather not have transcripts of his conversations w Trump released…. bet MBS doesnt, either… we could get three corrupt governments w one impeachment trial….

  45. Survivors guide, eh? Who owns one? Who needs one? Because life has just been crumbling around you since 2016 right?? The fragile left never cease to amaze.

    (does it come with crayons?)

  46. Rachel Meldew is one of the biggest dip sh*ts on tv . I bet she still gets crap on her hands when she wipes. She might even be a man . Who knows when it comes to devilcrats.

  47. Hey Rachel! Got a message for you from the Communist Party of China:

    "Love your show Rachel. Keep up the good work. Maybe we can have a parade for you in New York City when we take over your country."
    "Biden 2020!!! Make America Dumb Again!!!"

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