Trevor Responds to Criticism from the French Ambassador – Between The Scenes | The Daily Show

I wanted to share this
little story with you. I got into a little
bit of trouble with the French Government. (audience laughing) I know. The French Government. So what happened was, let’s
start at the beginning. France won the World Cup. (audience cheering
and applauding) And so on the show,
we celebrated that
and I had this joke where I said, I said
Africa won the World Cup. (audience cheering
and applauding) Yeah, and I was shocked at
how angry a lot of French people got, like genuine,
a lot of French people were angry and they were like,
“Oh Trevor how can you say this, why would you
say these things? (audience laughing) You know this is horrible.”
and I was like okay, I get it, not everyone
likes every joke that you tell and I get that
but this was interesting. I got a letter from the
ambassador of France. And I’ll read it to you,
it was about that joke. And he says, I’ll try to read
it how I hope he wrote it. (audience laughing) Which was he says, “Sir I
watched with great attention your July 17th show when
you spoke of the victory of the French team at the
2018 FIFA World Cup Russia final which took
place last Sunday. I heard your words about
an African victory, nothing could be less true.” (audience laughing) Now, first of all, I think
it could have been less, I could have says they
were Scandinavian. (audience laughing) That would have been less true, that would have been less true. He says, “As many of the
players have already stated themselves, their parents
may have come from another country but a great
majority of them — all but two out of 23
were born in France. They were educated in
France, they learned to play soccer in France,
they are French citizens. They’re proud of
their country, France. The rich and various
backgrounds of these players is a reflection of
France’s diversity. France is indeed…” Now that
line there was interesting. The rich and various
backgrounds of these players is a reflection of
France’s diversity. Now, I’m not trying to
be an asshole but I think it’s more a reflection
of France’s colonialism. (audience cheering
and applauding) Because it’s not like it’s
just like random players, like they all have
something in common. Like all of those players
if you trace their lineage you’re like how did
you guys become French? Like, how did your family start
speaking French? Oh, okay. (audience laughing) And it says here, he says,
“France is indeed a cosmopolitan country but every citizen is
part of the French identity and together they belong
to the nation of France. Unlike in the United
States of America, France does not refer to its
citizens based on their race, religion or origin. To us,
there is no hyphenated identity. Roots are an individual reality, by calling them an African team
it seems like you’re denying their Frenchness. This,
even in jest, legitimizes the ideology which
claims whiteness as the only definition
of being French.” So now here’s the thing,
first things first. I understand what he’s
saying ’cause I read up on this afterwards,
right? I take criticism. I’ll listen to what
somebody says to me. I genuinely believe you
should, and what it turns out is in France, a lot
of Nazis in that country use the fact that these
players are of African descent to shit on their
Frenchness, you know. So they go you’re not
French, you’re from Africa go back to where you came
from, you’re not French. They use that as
a line of attack. Now my thing, my opinion is
coming from South Africa, coming from Africa and
even watching the World Cup in the United States of America, black people all over the
world were celebrating the Africaness of the
French players, right. Not in a negative way but
rather in a positive way going look at these Africans
who can become French. You know what I mean, it’s a
celebration of that achievement. And so, this is what I find
weird in these arguments is that people go they’re
not African, they’re French. Then I’m like why
can’t they be both? (audience applauding) Right, why is that duality
only afforded to select group of people, why
can they not be African? So what they’re arguing here is, in order to be French
you have to erase everything that is African,
’cause what do they mean when they say that
our culture, our this. So you cannot be French and
African at the same time, which I vehemently
disagree with. I go if you see those
players I love them, Paul Pogba, N’Golo Kante,
I’ve watched all of them. Like, I love those players
and I love how African they are and how
French they are. I don’t take their
Frenchness away but I also don’t think you need to
take their Africaness away. And that is what I
love about America. America is not a perfect
country but what I love about this place is that
people can still celebrate their identity in
their Americaness. You can go to a St. Patrick’s
Day parade in America celebrating that you are Irish. You can go to a Puerto
Rican day parade in America still celebrating the fact
that you are Puerto Rican and American at the same time. You can celebrate
Juneteenth as black person and be like “yo, I’m
African-American,” which is the duality
of the two worlds. But here they’re going,
“No you are only French.” (audience laughing) And here’s why it
vexes me, to be honest. This is what I find interesting, is like, when I read
stories from Africa and I watch what
politicians say, especially in France
about African migrants: when they are unemployed,
when they may commit a crime, or when
they are considered unsavory, it’s the
African immigrant. When their children go on to
provide a World Cup victory for France, we should only
refer to them as France. And we even saw it with
that African man who climbed the building to rescue the
baby, do you remember that? – [Audience] Yes. – We watched him
climb that building, he rescued the child and
then they gave him French citizenship, they said
you are now French. So now I’m going so is
he now no longer African? (audience laughing) Is that what you’re
saying? So when he was on the ground
he was African. (audience laughing) And then he climbed up
and as soon as he rescued the baby now he’s French.
So if he dropped the baby, The African dropped the baby. (audience cheering
and applauding) I don’t believe that you need and here’s like I would
say again with respect I understand what the
ambassador is saying. I’m not joining the attack
and I know don’t get me wrong, I know we live in a
world where like nuance is something that
is in short supply. And so you will find in
America for instance, the alt-right saying, “That’s
what we’ve been saying, they’re not French and
we’re saying but if Trevor says it it’s not racist, but
if we say it it’s racist.” Yeah, yeah. I’ll
say yeah, you know why? Because I believe
context is everything. There are certain things
you can say to somebody that like when I
say to my friends, What’s going on, my nigga?”
and if a white person came and said the same thing, yeah
there’s a big difference. (audience laughing) When I’m saying they’re
African I’m not saying it as a way to exclude
them from their Frenchness but I’m rather using it to
include them in my Africaness. I’m saying, “I see you my French
brother of African descent.” Do you know what I’m saying,
that’s what I’m trying to say, when somebody else
says it the other way. You can use the same
line in different ways. People are like,
so it’s different? Yeah, yeah it’s different,
it can be different. It’s like somebody saying, “So
if you play with your naked child it’s a problem but if
I do it I’m a pedophile?” Yeah, yeah there’s
a big difference. There’s a huge difference. (audience clapping) So I will continue to praise
them for being African because I believe that
they are of Africa. Their parents are from
Africa and they can be French at the same time. And if French
people are saying they cannot be both, then I think they
have a problem and not me. (audience cheering
and applauding)

  1. There is a difference between one's social identity and their personal identity. Those French players were adament that they are French. The argument ought to be who do they identify themselves as? By how they see themselves or how society depicts who they are? I was watching Young Guns II just last night and it dawned on me that Emilio Estevez is the brother of Charlie Sheen and the son of Martin Sheen. Then why the different name? With some research I learnt that Martin Sheen is actually a stage name and his real name is Ramon Estevez. Emilio was proud of his Latin roots and chose to identify with that by retaining his Spanish surname. That does not mean necessarily mean Martin Sheen despises his roots. Having started acting in Hollywood when he did, Martin Sheen may have seen having a Latin name as a drawback to getting work. Let's not fool ourselves, racism is a very real thing. To this day actors of color complain they don't get the same opportunities that their White contemporaries do. I do agree with Trevor that they can choose to be both. But it has to be THEIR choice to be identified as such. And the last time I checked, those French players referred to themselves as French!

  2. I remember I watched the group draw for the World Cup. One of the TV commentators mentioned something about the fact that Poles have never played against teams from Africa, so the match with Senegal will be very difficult. (different style of play). I don't remember who said it now, but it was one of the older members of the family. . ." What do he mean? That's not true, we've already played with England, France, Portugal and others many times"; Hehehe

  3. I appreciate his perspective and opinions. I mostly share the same views, but the one thing he doesn't understand is, the French culture is their own culture and perspective. I wouldn't say that they have a problem with your joke, I think they have their own perspective and culture.

  4. you apply usa typicality to france.
    what you say is so bad, it's like you say hitler did nothing wrongand now you put a spin on it, but when you said it it was supposed to be taken at the first degree which is racist.and the worst part is that you didn't apologise for this racism, but find excuses and double down on it
    whitch, as you are supposed to be on the left politically, makes you an hypocrite

  5. This all made sense until her mentioned the Porto Rican parade. PR is a part of the US so there is no duality there.

  6. Every time they pick a new host for this I’m like nahh this guy isn’t as good as Kilborn/Stewart. But each time the host gets better. Trevor Noah is the GOAT

  7. That's a very good argument I do agree with you 100%. However, I do understand where the French ambassador's view comes from. You see, we, most of the Europeans are looking to the racism in the US without being able to understand its roots in slavery and the civil war, it takes a lot of time to understand that, so for most of the European citizens who are totally against racism, all problems related to racism we hear from the US might look totally stupid. In a superficial way, Europeans consider the US a segregationist state in contrast to Europe. Don't get me wrong, we have racism in Europe but it is different, in the US you talk about this all the time, in Europe not so much. I think the ambassador was not trying to exclude the African roots of those players but to express the French state's official view: In France and most of Europe, you don't call people 'minority' because (at least officially) you are considered to be a French citizen regardless of your origin, skin color, religion. In France you don't celebrate diversity as much in the US, you'd rather celebrate the 'achievement of being French', the whole US culture is based on diversity, France's on acceptance and tolerance, 'Liberté, égalité, fraternité'. Racism in Europe is at an unconscious level, you call him African or French according to the context without realizing the racism from your talk as you mention. The ambassador was just trying to pitch his country using the same official version which most of the time is hypocritical. In conclusion, American are conscious of their racism, Europeans most of the time don't even realize they are racists.

  8. Using the same sentence as neo-nazis is indeed not a ideal way of communication.
    You don't seem to understand what a french fan feels. You just point the fact we have to use colonialism past to win a world cup. That glorifys Africa and belittles France in the process.
    We don't have the same patriotism of yours here in France. We have pragmatic education, and we have to really make an effort to get wind of France by ourself to feel proud. Migrants are in between. Rejected by some, and not really raised to be patriot. There is an identity crisis. Migrants have a thankfull feeling about France, when their child don't and try to be somehow protected by claming another indentity. And when they go to their african roots country, they feel the same : rejected.
    So you just pour oil on the flame.

  9. This isn't just about identity and hyphens, it's about the underlying discrimination that the children of African immigrants have to go through in Europe, it's about the legacy of colonialism. Thank you Trevor for making this clear!

  10. To be honest its something you see in a lot of immigration policies through out Europe. They think integration is giving up your own culture and imitating theirs. I really think many problems have their roots in this way of thinking.

  11. Just a quick reminder: Most "intellectuals" require a perfectly written script or whatnot just to have this conversation.

    Trevor did it just by being himself.

  12. Travis you stole others comedians jokes like Russell Peters! You don't respect Politicians totally different from Politically Incorrect Jokes. You can bad mouth another race but never bad mouth the entire country or the Government. That's what makes you a Low Comedian

  13. Yes, but Trevor, you, just like the French Ambassador to (?) (you do know there is more than one?) didn't specify the duality either, in your original comment. You completely dismissed their frenchness.

    What I find interesting is the dismissal of history, or at least certain parts of history. Everyone remembers the imperialistic colonialism of the the 1800's-1900's. But hasn't that been happening for as long as humans have organized into groups? The Zulus colonized South Africa, the Carthaginians invaded Europe and colonized parts of it, the Persians colonized other countries, the Arabs, the Moors, the Chinese, the Huns, the Turks, the Russians, the Indians, the Romans, people from Asia colonized three continents, (then called themselves aboriginal, or indigenous ) and going way back Homo Sapiens, Sapiens , every area, including Africa.

    There isn't one person alive today, who's ancestors didn't originate in the continent known as Africa. So why isn't the majority of the world included in calling themselves African? Why is it only recent emigrants from Africa given that distinction?

    And finally Trevor, why is it, that when you speak of white people born and raised in Africa, you are not celebrating their duality? Not being inclusive of their heritage? Why are you ridiculing their interest in their European heritage? Isn't your dad from Switzerland? How come we never hear anything positive about that? Only a little joke about how the Swiss like chocolate, wink, wink.

    Nuance is everything, Trevor, but it isn't just the people you criticize, lacking it.

  14. Karim Benzema said " i am french when i win and algerian immigrant when i loose"
    That said….America is nothing less of a shithole.

  15. I do understand where this clever guy is coming from. However making distinctions regarding ethnic origin can have a negative converse effect. My mother was born in South Africa, her parents were Canadian, her grandparents were Danish and my father was Polish (but nowadays he would be Ukrainian) and I am British. I am neither proud or ashamed one way or the other – the accident of birth in my mind is a neutral thing. To border on the cheesey side I think my mixed antecedents reflect my view which is cultural differences are interesting but nothing to be competitive or make huge distinctions about.

  16. Colonialism was bad. But its done. Now we must overcome this feelings. They are French. Black French. Zimbabue got a lot of White people there. Do you referr to White Zimbabueans like Caucasians African??? White people shouldnt be racist, but Black people are just being Proud ??? I dont understand that…

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  18. Context matters, French are unbelievably racist and Islamophobic. French are happy to claim anything positive and relegates any traits they don’t like to their Africanness. Look at how their financially rapping West African. How their social housing is basically prison blocks. The Front Nàtional are always second for Presidential Elections. The state enforcement of dress code for Muslim women on beaches (basically a wet suit).

  19. I agree when Trevor says the french make it sound like the players can be either french or african, and asks why they can't be both. But then again, the joke that prompted this response called the players 'african', and excluded that they're also french. So the letter as well as the joke claim those players for one country only instead of both. That's hypocrisy.

  20. Yet when Algeria won the African Cup the french started saying that it was a french win considering that most players trained in France copletely forgetting that their meddling in our business is what brought such thing to be.

  21. Donnot agree here. French point of view is to be respected, not vilified based on colonialism which took place in the past. One has not to pay for his/her ancestors mistakes and his/her actual opinions about a complex issue such as racism can also be heard and not bullied. French ambassador is right, labeling people based on their colors or supposed ancestors opposes us, it divides us, it refrains us from mixing. See intercultural marriage in France: higher than in the US. "Send her back" chants would never happen in France, despite the villainous attitude denounced by Trevor… Not saying it is easy or rosy, but at least French people is trying to tackle the issue in their own way: that is what is fiercely combated by american/English civilisation generally and this is another example.

  22. I will say that in the USA, we African Americans are the only people who are told that we need to forget our connection to our mother/fatherland. No one else is told to forget their ancestors/ancestry. We’ve had almost all of connections to our ancestors, our real religion, our history, our real traditions, our real language, essentially our foundation, intentionally destroyed. So I will continue to describe myself in a way that honors my ancestors and my homeland.

  23. Absolutely true and
    Im french muslim
    Look Zidane or Mbappe or Noah
    They are french
    The other strangers
    You are french if you are sportsman,or actor,or singer
    To sum up you are french by the succes
    Otherwise you are a terrorist, or gangster etcc
    Thats why the world knows this thing

  24. Players of Africa won the world cup they still have there ethnic ties from these places even if they were born in a different country its not only frances history they share and their own history you gotta see that

  25. Don't be ignorant, we may all have different heritage, but it's not wise to define who you are by it, I don't go around saying I'm Norwegian german-american, I'm just American just like everybody else should be! It promote segregation and racism to think of it any other way.

  26. "i can take criticism"
    he says, just to completely deflect it and pretend he didn't say what he said
    he said "african team"
    not "african french team" or whatever else he tries to excuse himself with this bs talk about "duality"

  27. Trevor you ask why can they not be both – African AND French. However in your stand up you asked why can't Native Americans just call themselves American

  28. Im not too proud of this country but that segment where trevor talked about american celebration of identity was the most patriotic I felt in a while.

  29. trevor, that's so true!!! you are just a brave guy. behind you, when they lose, they are the African immigrants,when they win, they are only the france. the same situation happens in every country, that's called racist.

  30. I'm French africaine and yeah comfirmation, they r sooo racist, and hate when you remind them of the colonisations…and honestly they will always ask oh u r French really? So please I now refer to myself as someone that has been raised and born in France only.
    Punto final

  31. he hit the nail on the head! we as french should be proud that a team of french men with AFRICAN descent represent our country, and that they should take pride in not only their french heritage but their african as well. we can laugh at racism in america all we want….but let’s face it, france’s history is no better.

  32. My question is how to decide when Trevor Noah being racist or making bad joke? So he can't be racist ? 🤔

  33. Yes the French do not seem to be very open to other people maintaining their cultural/religious identities.

  34. Would you accept, as a US citizen, if we say that the US basketball team is African? That NBA is an African league?
    No one would accept that, including you.

  35. To all those who bother to watch this clip and dislike it, I really hope to learn what you could possibly disagree with the host.

  36. I like Trevor but I have noticed how every black person who is successful likes to refer to themselves as African even if their families have never been to Africa since the 1800s

  37. I'm black born in France, I used to live in the United States for a couple of years, basically the racism in France is exactly the same in the U.S .. If there something American People need to know about France is that the majority of white French people and specially this French government are the most hypocrit people on the planet. When it comes to represent France for the soccer world cup all of the sudden they love black and arabic French people, like it was the case back in 1998 with the first world cup won by France. When we win big sport event for the country they love black people so much, all of the sudden there is no racism, there is no immigration issues, we are just like in the United States, one nation under God LMAO, everything is cutie and heaven. Once the event is over on a Daily basics 24/7 the racism is back again. Difficulty for black people to find a job because of racism, racial profile by French cops on a daily basics, huge amount of French people doesn't wanna see african people coming to the country that really how things go in France every single day ! Some white french people on the street are not embarras at all to call black people fucking niggers go back to Africa and so on, You get inside a food store the damn security is on the edge just because you just enter the store thinking you gon steal something or what not, your only crime being black get them to fear you automatically just like in the U.S coming from my own experience I'm telling you ! We are not unify at all in France, it's all a bench of BS from the French government ! And any french people here who think that everything I said is a lie I'll be glad to confront you straight up because we are French people born in France and we know exactly what's going on in this country and the double standard that run in this country, so for the one who will act like France is fucking heaven you better come with strong back up proof from your mouth !

  38. Americans trying to teach us a lesson about racism and racial integration, this is so funny. It's like a legless guy sharing is word of wisdom on french pedicure. Should I remind that this is a country where inmates and in great majority afro american (by design) have to work for free in prison or get send to solitary confinment. Very inspiring indeed. Swipe below your door first and spare us your bullshit lessons.

  39. I remember the World cup when Zidan was playing and French won. It was huge and president Chirac was shaking hands with each of the team members – there were more white players in their national team back in those days. So, here comes Zidan, stretches his hand out towards him to get the handshake and what the President do? He merely nods and … that's it! So, in the heat of the celebration on the field probably not many people noticed that Chirac refused to shake the hand of the very person who brought them the victory! I'm sure they didn't show it in the news but the footage is out there somewhere. I was so shocked that still remember it to this day.

  40. We are not African American. Do you call social caste whites European Americans…? They may celebrate thier foreign origins, but they are referred to as Americans, not African Americans.

  41. I love this one. The man awesome. who gets in trouble my a government and still shit's on them. Factz are Factz

  42. I’ m french and i hate trevor noah because i have a question for him ! Where can you from ? You have african’s origines fucking asshole.

  43. Native people of France are the most arrogant c*nts in the world. Their heads are so far up their ass they…..

  44. Funny how this conversation is going the other way around in my country. I'm Haitian… and Haitians born, raised and living in Haiti are becoming so agressive against Haitians living in the diaspora -wether they have kept their Haitian nationality or not. They are also pretty upset with Haitians born in another country… and yes I'm saying Haitians born in another country because our constitution recognize every children born from 2 or 1 Haitian as Haitian, no matter where the parents live… I feel we have become very unfair as we are refusing them most political chairs but genuinely eat their wire money – which is more than what we produce internally.

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