Should We Have Mandatory Voting?

William asks the following question: “Do you think that compulsory voting should be enacted in the United States?” Uh. William, that’s a great question. Um. I’m forever fifty-fifty on this. So On the one hand, we already require people to do some shit that they view as annoying and they don’t want to do. And I understand that feeling. Uh Jury Duty. So they say “Look, look, look, look I don’t care if you don’t want to do it or you don’t like it, you’re a citizen of the United States of America. You have some duties, you have some responsibility. Along with that you have the rights of a citizen.” Or at least on paper you do, in the constitution. The government has done a good job of trampling all over those. Um But you have to do some shit. So you get called in for Jury Duty, bitch you go to Jury Duty, that’s not, that’s not a choice. So we have that that’s compulsory. Well why is it we just skipped right over the most important thing? Like the first thing one would think it is reasonable to be compulsory is You live in a democracy. You will participate in that democracy. So if you’re going to have anything that’s compulsory, that should be number one on the list. And by the way what happens when you have compulsory voting? The Republicans will point this out as a reason to slap it down, they’re right on the fact here, but they’re wrong in that it should be slapped down. If you have everybody vote in the country, the Liberals are much more likely to win. Because you do polling on the American people, and on virtually every issue they’re Liberal. So when you have a lower turnout, historically it helps the Conservatives in the U.S. When you have a higher turnout, that means more Independents turned out, more Millenials turned out, and they overwhelmingly lean Liberal. So the more people that vote, the more likely it is to go in a Liberal direction. So if you had compulsory voting you would have many more Liberal victories. So I think that’s good for the country: to have everybody participate in the democracy. I think it’s good that we move in a more Liberal direction. But I think it’s bad because I don’t like this idea of somebody telling you you have to do some shit. So, compulsory voting, half the time if you ask me I’ll say “Yeah we should have it”. The other half of the time you ask me I’ll say “Look, some people actively choose not to participate and they should be able to not participate if they don’t want to participate.” So I really don’t know my answer to it. It depends what mood you catch me in. If you catch me in the mood where I’m in favor, I’ll say “I’m in favor.” If you catch me in the mood where I’m against, I’ll say “I’m against.” But I do think that the net effects for the country would be positive if you had compulsory voting. And that’s not a crazy idea: many modern nations do have compulsory voting. And we have one of the lowest, if not the lowest turnouts among modern nations for our elections. Which is abysmal for a country that loves to preach about how we’re the beacon of freedom and democracy. So It’s a difficult question, it’s a good question. I’m still not a hundred percent solid on my answer. I’m very curious what you guys, the audience, thinks.

  1. 2:50 Kyle doesn't understand the concept of freedom. People choose not to vote because they're free to make that choice, moron.

  2. Well, I live in Belgium where there is mandatory voting and honestly, I think it's undemocratic (like in the governement forcing you to do something). Secondly, and most important, I think it makes the politicians kinda lazy, cuz they know people will (have to) vote anyway, so in my opinion they don't feel the need to earn your vote. It's that bad that I often refer to us as a voting flock, voting sheep. They can promise you any kinda bs to get the most votes and then, after the voting is done, they'll do just whatever they want, even turning back on their promisses. It's almost as if you can't hold them accountable for their actions. And even if you vote blank (meaning you vote, but not for any party), that vote automaticly goes to the biggest (winning) party.

    If we didn't have mandatory voting, I believe politicians would have to work (way) harder to get enough people to vote for them. Here in Belgium, most of the time, the different political parties make agreements among each other (behind closed doors) on how the different cabinets will be divided among each other. So, basicly, mandatory voting isn't that ideal/perfect.

    Btw Kyle, I think your show is awesome, I like your general philosophy (on different matters) and can really relate to it a lot. Keep up the good work 🙂

  3. Your logic is terrible and your conclusion even worse. You do not live in a democracy; it doesn't matter whether you think you do, you don't. No capitalist countries are democracies. Forcing people to participate in the horrendous sham of democracy you have (that we too have in Britain) is forcing them to endorse the dreadful system of capitalism. I (correctly) didn't vote in the last election here, as real communist parties know that change comes from revolution only, not bourgeois sham democracy., and that too would be the case in the USA. Voting for the least worst option is never acceptable, under any circumstances. Now, if they put a 'none of the above' option in, then that would be better, but they'll never do that as it would show just how unhappy the majority of people (the non-brainwashed ones) are with bourgeois sham democracy.

  4. Mandatory voting works well in Australia; I would guess that a good majority would agree with it even though we a have a similarly cynical electorate on politics.

  5. I think low turnout should be blamed on politicians for not doing enough to encourage them to vote. Here's a few ideas I have to encourage them to vote:
    1) Make first time voting compulsory. Evidence shows that people who vote the first time are likely to continue voting in future elections
    2) Have politics as a compulsory subject in school. Young people have particularly low turnout at elections, and educating them on political ideologies, views and how democracies work, plus having debate amongst students may encourage them to engage in politics in the future.
    3) Lower the voting age to 16
    4) Allow schools to register students on the electoral lists and take them down to the polls on election day.

  6. Mandatory voting doesnt work. why should you be forced to vote even if none of the current candidates or parties appeal to you. When people are forced to vote who dont want to they donkey vote or just tick a name that they may of heard recently which gives the major parties a huge advantage

  7. I'm in favor provided something like the following: 1) Registration is free and automatic; 2) You can vote extremely easily (mail-in from home or very close, accessible polling location); 3) You can choose to vote for "none-of the above" or just return to sender if you don't wan't to vote; and 4) If you affirmatively choose not to vote under the above circumstances – you have to fill out a form saying so (at no cost to you) and mail it in. If you don't do that 3 elections in a row – you lose your registration status unless you affirmatively re-apply

  8. This wishy-washy 50/50 bullshit is the sort of argument I'd expect from somebody with no principles. If you think people should be compelled to participate in jury duty or vote at gunpoint then you're a fucking lunatic.

  9. Conservatives will never when again in the future cause people want hand outs and democrats promise that

  10. One of like the two things in the world I just can't agree with you on. The people who DO care enough about politics to vote are already too uninformed to make decisions for our country, do you really expect people who hate politics or don't give a fuck, or honestly don't feel informed to make a good decision? If we had an education system that promoted an understanding of our government and economy, then okay, sure. But overall, in a free nation, we should be able to make CHOICES. We should focus on giving people a REASON to vote and a REASON to inform themselves (and I don't mean by watching Fox and CNN).

  11. There should be a national holiday to vote, or else voting should happen on a national holiday. I wonder which party would be against that?

  12. Make voting a week long thing, make the first day a national holiday(preferably the whole week), and most importantly provide a tax incentive (i.e tax deductible) for voters. Even if people decide to vote just to get the tax break, it still gets people in the poll booths.

  13. The logistics of Mandatory Voting would be a nightmare-costs..prohibitive. BTW we live in a Democratic Republic, not a Democracy. Popular vote, as demonstrated this recent Election basically doesn't count when voting for the President. Does that mean "don't vote"? No! Your vote provides necessary demographic data, that could be used by politicians (or not) to make decisions. State/local officials are usually Elected at the same time.

  14. voting day should be holidays or employers should have to allow employees to vote but making voting mandatory is encroaching on a person's individual freedom

  15. Surely voting should be compulsory with a box to tick which is 'abstain', and voting should be done on a national holiday so people can actually vote.

    Then you can see how many people are disenfranchised and how many don't bother.

  16. they could run the ballets through employer's and universities, that way you wouldn't have to leave whatever Civic duties you are attending to

  17. Honestly, I'm for it, BUT only after some major overhaul of our electoral system. All states should allow write-ins and/or a "none of the above/no confidence" option, as well as ranked-choice voting, just for starters. And, of course, elimination, or at bare minimum a severe and radical overhaul, of the electoral college is non-negotiable. (If it is kept at all, the number of electors for each state should be increased and tied to the number of registered voters, as determined by an annual census, not this severely outdated crap that's only updated when the planets align) We should also have automatic voter registration, regardless.

  18. I really dislike the argument for put forward here… I think there are better arguments out there, though ultimately I'm not convinced it's a good idea. But this sort of structural question, foundational to a democracy, should not be argued on the merits of which existing party it would benefit most. Arguing it that way will only get support for the idea from people who already agree with you.

    To the main question, I think mandatory voting is a terrible idea, though I can see some of the appeal. What I've heard, though, from Australia, where they have mandatory voting, is that that doesn't necessarily make for mandatory caring. There ends up being a lot of misinformation about how if you vote a certain way you can get your vote thrown out, so you get people doing weird things like voting in diagonal lines or something. Do you really think the U.S. would be that much better off if people who go out of their way not to know or care were forced to take a side?

  19. For a self-described liberal, Kyle sure pushes some illiberal ideas. OK, he's waverer on this one, but the sheer fact that he entertains the idea of a voting obligation, is a mark against him to say the least.
    Voting is a right, which entails the right not to do it. What if the same thought pattern were applied to other civil liberties, like freedom of speech (should people be obligated to write x number of letters to the editor of their local newspaper per year?), or the freedom of assembly (no more independents, because everyone must belong to a political party?), or the right to marry (Kyle can be a bachelor no more). Come on, that's absurd!

  20. I know some countries have a mandatory minimum turnout. Do basically if theres a vote and they dont get, say, 65% of the populace at the polls, they do the election again. I'd be in favor of that. It's a logical extrnsion of the idea of a quorum

  21. My answer is yes, have compulsory voting, but if you don't want to vote on anything you at least have to fill out a mail-in ballot and circle in the "I do not wish to vote for anyone in this election" bubble and mail it back. I think that's a good compromise that will both increase voter participation AND still leave an out for the people who truly do not want to vote nor care to.

  22. we still have a danger of exploitation. Since we basically are a country where we need to have "too hot" on coffee cups and Warning Labels on video games, we still have a problem with an uneducated populous that can be swayed into voting against their own self interest. Because this past election the Protest vote was actually a legitimate excuse, and even the younger voters were shocked to know there were more nominees on the ballot then ones they were told to by mainstream media.

  23. Although there could be benefits to mandatory voting, I'm convinced that it is an infringement on people's freedom, and I would never want to enact something like that. And yes, I'm one who very often don't vote because I dislike all options and don't like to give the process legitimacy. I sometimes vote out of practicality when the difference will be big enough between the potential outcomes.

    However, there's got to be policies that would encourage more participation, and I bet the media could do a much, much better job at making people want to participate (forget lame ads about voting being cool, that's just dumb).

  24. We could make it mandatory to vote some number of times per year, not necessarily in every election. Or maybe in half of the elections. Combine that with what another Commenter suggested: mail in a ballot with the option of noting refusal to vote.

  25. I do agree that mandatory voting could be a good idea. However, for example Brazil has mandatory voting and the elections are basically a joke there. They would have to reform a lot of things first to make it viable, and those changes might make it unnecessary in the long run.
    reform the 2 party system into a multi party system that doesn't allow chokeholds.
    make fair and equal coverage of all candidates
    Ranked voting
    automatic voting registration
    Uninformed people make bad decisions when they are put on the spot, not to mention resentment towards the process might result in trolling.

  26. Awful idea. It's your right not to vote. Furthermore, not voting is as much of a statement as voting. Making election day would be a much better choice.

  27. We need to educate people first or the elections would be an absolute joke this can be done by fixing the education in schools.

  28. Kyle, I don't know about mandatory voting. However I think the country should transition to a mail in voting system where the ballots are mailed out a month in advance and each voter receives a nonpartisan voter information packet. Oregon, Washington, and I think Colorado all rely on mail-in voting and the turn out in the last election ranged from 65 to over 70 percent. This was higher than the national average.

  29. I think not voting is a fucking stupid decision, but one serious definition of freedom is being able to make stupid decisions freely and deal with equal and fair consequences. So no, definitely no on compulsory voting. Requiring jury duty is essential because it forces a fair TRIAL – a process where someone's tertiary freedoms could potentially be stripped for a period of time. One "minor" constitutional amendment, provided by the Bill of Rights (just #6, no big deal or anything) is the right to a FAIR and speedy PUBLIC trial. Compulsory jury duty helps to secure this right to each and every citizen. Totally different from choosing to abstain from the process of voting towards new laws or representatives: giving power/rights vs taking away power/rights of the citizens. Taking away power is something that should require compulsory participation by the general public. @ Rachel Kay mentions mailing ballots to everyone – totally agree. Everyone should do vote-by-mail anyways, it's a far more responsible way of voting, because you have to the time to actually be aware of and understand what you're voting on.
    But yeah, fuck compulsory voting and fuck you if you don't vote.

  30. how i would have it:

    1. everyone 18 and older automatically gets registered in the system as a voter.
    2. Make Compulsory voting
    3. Open up primaries in EVERY state.
    4. Have an option in ballots that is "none of the above" if you dont like any candidate, and deal with that as needed.
    5. remove the electoral college and move to the popular vote system
    6. ban out private money funding elections and have all clean elections.

    and last but not least

    7. watch as progressive values win every election year because (whether average republicans know it or not) the ideas of the left are more popular with the country than right wing ideas.

  31. Kyle (not that you'll ever read this), I am very disappointed in you for thinking 'it depends what mood I'm in ' when it comes to compulsory voting. You are quite happy to drive on the correct side of the road, wear a seat belt and and have stringent laws about gun control. There are millions of things that are compulsory you do them every day without thinking. But all of these begin with the politicians you choose when you vote. Voting in a democracy is not just a privilege, it's a RIGHT and RESPONSIBILITY, the most important you will ever have. Look at your last election- 43% of Americans couldn't be bothered getting off their fat, lazy arses to cast a ballot. OK, that's their choice, but how about they get fined $100 each (proceeds go to the local city poor box). It pisses me off that all these people protest the establishment stooge Trump being 'elected'; I'd be more inclined to vent my frustration at the 'lazy 43' for not even voting. If the conservatives are worried about not getting elected should compulsory voting be enacted (as if), perhaps the answer is 'come up with policies most people actually want"! Oh no! Cannot have that in a democracy! Kyle, don't worry about the new ST t-shirt, get your shit together over this, one of the most important issues in democracies!

  32. As a libertarian, I am generally against anything being compulsory. So for voting, I am the same way. If someone doesn't care enough about the issues to get up and go vote, then quite frankly, I don't really care whether or not they do; chances are, that person is not particularly informed anyway.
    But if it should ever become compulsory, there ABSOLUTELY needs to be an abstain option. This way, you can't say that the person was too lazy to go out and vote; rather, he or she simply didn't buy into the "lesser of two evils" trash.

  33. I'm against mandatory voting but I think ideal would be for all voting to be mail voting with return postage included, every citizen 18 and up is automatically registered, and everyone is sent a ballot every election.

  34. The only way I'd be for mandatory voting is if we had automatic registration at 18, election day were federal/local holidays and the country wasn't full of naive morons who believe whatever fits their view. Tackling that last part is why we can't have this because a fundamental shift in media, education and corporate influence would be needed which isn't gonna happen with the current two party system.

  35. not a good idea in practice. Most people do not follow politics, that's just the nature of the beast. These people will ask their friends and families who they're voting for and vote accordingly. It's not a conscious vote, voting should be left for those who want to vote, besides, a democracy should be about freedom, why do you want to force people to vote in a democracy? Though one could make the case that the US isn't a real democracy anyways…

  36. Well. If you don't want to participate… just go to vote and don't put anything on the ballot. I mean, you can do that in every country. If you don't vote, you don't get to complain. And also, philosophically, if you don't want to participate in the decision, you shouldn't get the benefits of the government. You shouldn't get to say "no, I won't do this simple thing that takes minutes and is the bare minimum I should do as a citizen, but let me use these road real quick. Let me talk shit about politicians I didn't even care to have an opinion on when it mattered. Let me demand things to society when I gave nothing in return".
    It's ridiculous. Voting isn't even a hard thing.

  37. I think we should start to see not voting as its own choice. For example if more people don't vote than do vote. No one should win and we should get new candidates. If no democrats run why should I be forced bye law to vote republican

  38. New Zealand has this system for a very long time and not many people complain about it. Also New Zeal was the first country in the world to give women the vote and first female member of parliament as well as banning all vessels carrying nuclear weapons into its ports. Not bad for a small country.

  39. Adding mandatory voting, in my opinion, only adds to the uneducated vote of the apolitical. We need educated voters, not more voters. Whether the educated agree with us or not is irrelevant, though.

  40. Jimmy Carter was the 1st President I voted for…He was a very progressive intelligent man who couldn't fight the oil companies. I hated how this country dumped him and I've never forgiven those who couldn't see his vision. Yes, he's a Christian but a reasonable one, he understands the message anyway. But I can assure you the world wouldn't be talking about devastating climate change, if we had listened to him, or mass incarceration. Once Carter lost, I was proud to be a nonvoter, in fact I often regard myself as such when asked. At the time I needed that freedom. Eight years later I got over it, and now, more than ever, I feel allot less intimidated by stupidity!

  41. Bad idea. Not voting is still a form of voting. If a candidate doesn't appeal to a person, then they shouldn't vote. The reason why turnout is big for people like Obama is that his ground game was better than his opponents and his message was better. I fear that compulsory voting would lead to apathetic voters being paid off to vote a certain way. There are people who only care about sports, women, and money who would vote for a free pay per view, blow job, and a $100 bill.

  42. Australian here (compulsory voting) – you guys are making it seem as though you'd go to prison if you didn't vote. The fact is you can just fail to register and never have to vote, and even once you have registered it's a small fine if you fail to vote, although you can appeal the fine and they are extremely lenient with it.

    The net benefit is huge though, and it doesn't take long to change voting into a societal obligation.

  43. Our current system wouldn't be able to support compulsory voting. We need to get the money out of politics, overhaul our voting infrastructure, establish voting holiday(s), and THEN implement compulsory voting.

    Voting is a responsibility of being a US citizen. If you don't want to vote and you think it's such a hassle, give up your citizenship and become a resident.

    We live in a Democracy and that means our representatives are supposed to represent us. Right now, we have less than half of eligible voters turn out in Presidential elections on average. Voter turn out is far worse in non-Presidential elections. So that means our "representatives" are only actually representing a fraction of their districts. That's not a democracy. We have a representative democracy specifically because we just don't have time to vote on every issue. But that does mean that we should be paying that much more attention to our representatives because they are supposed to be representing us.

    You make it mandatory and ppl will start paying a hell of a lot more attention than they do now. And you'll probably find that 3rd party voters will skyrocket – something the establishment Democrats and Republicans are both terrified of. They have a pretty good deal most of the time (They please the corporations and then argue publicly over social issues while not really doing much of anything about them), a deal that has soured since the Tea Party came in (although the Democrats haven't gotten the message yet somehow). Mandatory voting could easily see either or both of them becoming a permanent minority party – something more likely for Republicans, hence why they actively try to keep ppl from voting.

  44. I think a good middle ground is automatic registration when you get any form of ID. If you automatically get registered, it won't seem like as much of a hassle and people will be more likely to do it. Especially in mail in states. You have the ballet, why not fill it out and put it in your mail box? You gotta go to it everyday anyways

  45. We have it here in Brazil and it's terrible. It's actually the opposite of a democracy and freedom. Plus Brazilians are mostly uninformed or just ignorant. So they always vote for anyone who says what they want to hear. I think America should just have a national voting day/holiday so everyone has time to do it.

  46. The idea of mandatory voting in a democracy is ridiculous. If I am free to vote for who I want, I am free to vote for no one. Just like freedom of speech; you are free to say or not say something. Also, why do people think that mandatory voting will make democracy better? Even if people were obligated to vote someone like Donald Trump can still win and someone like Bernie Sanders can still lose.

  47. It's not a great question. It's a terrible question. The obvious answer is "no". It's completely ridiculous, actually. Forcing people to vote does not sound like the workings of a free country. Part of our liberty is the right to not vote, showing our disdain for all candidates.

    Also, if you require people to vote, you are going to flood the polls with MORONS. A lot of people (and this is easy to forget if you are someone who cares about politics) do not give a shit. They don't read up on people's platforms, they don't know the issues, they may not even care about the issues, etc. Throwing their vote into the ring just dilutes the level to which the average vote is informed. You essentially "dumb down" the electorate. This is not a good idea.

  48. Make it mandatory to prove you voted before you can have a Facebook or Twitter account. That would clear some stuff right up.

  49. Nothing says freedom than forcing freedom down people's throat. You sound like American imperialism. We shall force democracy upon you!!! Murica. Force isn't freedom, dumb, dumb. I don't have $100 sitting around to pay for not picking knucklehead #1 or knucklehead #2. As if we don't have the largest prison population, let's just fine and lock more Americans for not picking knuckleheads. "I'm surrounded by idiots" – Scar

  50. actually I think we should have a standard you have to meet to be able to vote some type of computerized multiple choice test seeing if you have basic knowledge of the government the constitution and the ideals of America's founding fathers. I mean it's a lot more important than getting a driver's license and you have to take a test for that.

  51. Kyle – there's no contest. You absolutely should have mandatory voting.
    But there should be an 'abstain' box on the ballot that people can tick if they wish to cast no vote. Everyone should be obligated to show up, and actively exercise their right to opt out if that is their wish.
    (Australia has mandatory voting with a $50 fine for registered voters failing to cast a vote or eligible voters failing to register – there's no 'abstain' box, but you just put in a blank ballot paper, or an invalidly filled out ballot paper, but I don't recommend the latter)

  52. In Australia it's technically not mandatory to vote, but it's mandatory to have your name ticked off the list of voters otherwise it's a $20 fine so I've heard. A lot of people just turn up, get their name ticked off, receive their ballots, draw dicks on them then dump them in the box.

  53. If you are too lazy to make the choice to vote then you have no cause to whinge and moan about how "the man" is keeping you down.

  54. I don't think it's that hard. Make voting mandatory, but include abstention and write-in options on the ballot. At least that way, the government makes an effort towards true and accurate representation, while still giving people the right to (in a sense) not participate.

  55. Mandatory Voting should be required to retain citizenship.
    However, it should listed on the ballot that you can leave it blank.

    The problem is we currently make the vote about ONE race (president) and not about the entire process from local all the way up to federal. All citizens should be required to turn in a ballot, even if that ballot is blank. therefore we still get the abstention voters, but they are actually tallied as an abstention. Requiring people to turn in the ballot woild get some.percemtage to read and see that there a downballot candidates they want to vote for, and so on.

    So yes I am 100% for mandatory voting, as long as "None of the Above" is an option. I woilf also add that if None of the Above "wins" the vote, the candidates in that race are never allowed to run again for public office. Even dogcatcher.

  56. This is what our system should look like. Mandatory voting once a year, you get several days off of work to do it. On the ballots instead of voting for politicians you vote on what you want for your country and state. "should marijuana be legal for recreational use" "should we have single payer Healthcare" "should there be a $15 minimum wage", with every single issue that's in question. That way people aren't confused with whether it's conservative or progressive they just need to think about if it will benefit them and their community.

  57. How about we just make voting easier and more accessible. Like having citizens be automatically registered to vote. I'm a college student and most of my friends who didn't vote say it was because they didn't register in time.

  58. Those who don't vote have no right to speak about their displeasure for the country's current state. Either use your voice to vote or shut the fuck up because you are THE problem! Every country has the government it deserves.

  59. Compulsory voting is really just compulsory getting your name ticked off the list. If you really don't want to vote for anyone then you just don't fill in the voting slip or better yet you can make a comment on the voting slip as to why you aren't voting as a protest. In reality though, most people when forced to turn up, are happy to make a choice. Federal elections should not be controlled by state governments either and it should be 1 person 1 vote, not the rigged gerrymander that Americans endure.

  60. My short answer to the question is, no, I don't think we should have mandatory voting. Democracy is supposed to be about rights, not requirements. I see mandatory voting as imposed democracy, an oxymoron of the highest caliber.

    There are legitimate reasons for people to choose not to vote; the most critical being that they don't feel knowledgable enough about a candidate or issue to make an informed decision. Forcing such folks to vote is unfair to all of us.

  61. No voting should not be compulsory, if your not informed your going to create negative national policy that's inefficient as is the case if Australia.

  62. I want the people to vote to care about politics and to be informed. It seems to me if you force people to vote you're going to have a ton of people who don't meet that criteria voting.

  63. Hell no. It's better to be absolutely sure neither presidential candidate was very popular at all versus it looking like both were very popular.

  64. No. Will they force American expats living abroad to vote? I hope not. 2016 presidential election sucked because I don't like Trump. I will not support Hillary Clinton for any future elections.

    USA doesn't even give a fuck about their citizens living abroad. They still force them to pay taxes, send jury duty summons and now they want to implement compulsory voting. Things are getting ridiculous in USA. Making American expats to vote in presidential election is pissing me off.

  65. Voting is a right and a responsibility, but not a duty. Being a citizen means people have the opportunity to participate but it is not required. You force people to vote, then they are more likely to vote in very obtuse ways, if only to spite having been forced to do it. What's next, forcing people to vote the way you want them to?

    Forget I said that, it's likely exactly what you would want. No thank you, I didn't spend 9 years of my life in the military so people like you could override personal freedom and goosestep anyone into a voting booth. If they don't want to do it, then I don't want them to either, for all our sakes. Better to convince them they want to do it, but what do I know, eh?

  66. By not showing up to vote, you are essentially saying: "I don't want my voice to be heard". By not voting, you are forfeiting your right to be represented. If you don't like any of the candidates, you can always cast a blank ballot. Voting is the ultimate civic duty. More so than jury duty by far.

  67. What a silly argument. The government of the day should govern for the people or they get voted out. So the idea that a low or high voter turnout is preferable for liberals or conservatives is wrong. If a party wants to win an election they are made to to listen to ALL of the people if voting is made compulsory. As an Australian I can tell you this is a true political reaction.
    If you don't want to vote fine, but don't complain if you don't get what you want. You didn't vote so you either the party you voted for made the wrong choice, or the party you didn't vote for is screwing you again. But by not voting means you had no say at all, so suck it up princess and deal with it.

  68. The main benefit of compulsory voting (I'm from Australia) is that it reduces divisiveness. Candidates don't have to go extreme left or extreme right to get their base to turn up. They win or lose only by taking votes from the other side, so they have to campaign in the centre!

  69. IMO a non vote counts as a vote. For example, hillary lost because of the very big bernie sanders crowd that just didn't want to vote for another status quo candidate, and in a way Bernie Sanders's ideas are now in the mainstream because of that.

  70. The biggest fail of the founders was this issue.

    We are not a direct democracy on the basis that few people could afford the leisure to participate. Fact. This is history taught in schools. A representative democracy was more practical.

    Why bother with representation if you do not mandate representation. At the ballot box you can have the right to write in. You do not have to be forced to choose a candidate. However you must be forced to go to a ballot box.

    Whether you care or not. Your vote has weight. Foreign policy translates into people dying, and depending on who pick, that can be the difference of saving someone's life. Leaving issues in the table for someone else to pick up who " cares" is lazy, immoral, and damn irresponsible.

    It is no wonder why few people still control a lot of your institutions, they are the only ones that care to make sure their interests are heared-they're interests will never be yours….

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