>>>THEY’RE SCARING THE LIVING>>>THEY’RE SCARING THE LIVING HELL OF PEOPLE AND I SEE IT HELL OF PEOPLE AND I SEE IT AGAIN, LET’S BLUDGEON TRUMP WITH AGAIN, LET’S BLUDGEON TRUMP WITH THIS NEW HOAX, AND THERE ARE NOW THIS NEW HOAX, AND THERE ARE NOW MORE THAN 6,000 CONFIRMED CASES MORE THAN 6,000 CONFIRMED CASES IN THE UNITED STATES, WE’VE BEEN IN THE UNITED STATES, WE’VE BEEN TELLING YOU, THIS IS HAPPENING, TELLING YOU, THIS IS HAPPENING, SADLY, OVER NOW, 100 DEATHS IN SADLY, OVER NOW, 100 DEATHS IN THE U.S. AND NOW THOSE NUMBERS THE U.S. AND NOW THOSE NUMBERS AS I’VE BEEN SAYING WILL LIKELY AS I’VE BEEN SAYING WILL LIKELY RISE, SEEMINGLY AND DRAMATICALLY RISE, SEEMINGLY AND DRAMATICALLY IN THE NEXT DAYS AND WEEKS. IN THE NEXT DAYS AND WEEKS.>>OVER THE LAST SEVEN SEVERAL>>OVER THE LAST SEVEN SEVERAL WEEKS, FOX NEWS, HAS DONE THIS WEEKS, FOX NEWS, HAS DONE THIS UTTERLY INSANE ABOUT-FACE AND UTTERLY INSANE ABOUT-FACE AND STARTED BY ECHOING THE STARTED BY ECHOING THE PRESIDENT’S LINE, DOWNPLAYING PRESIDENT’S LINE, DOWNPLAYING THE CORONAVIRUS SAYING IT WAS THE CORONAVIRUS SAYING IT WAS LIKE A SEASONAL FLU AND LIKE A SEASONAL FLU AND DEMOCRATS ARE WEAPONIZING AND DEMOCRATS ARE WEAPONIZING AND HYPING AND THEN TURNED AROUND HYPING AND THEN TURNED AROUND AND STARTED SAYING, THIS IS AND STARTED SAYING, THIS IS DEADLY SERIOUS. DEADLY SERIOUS. THE PRESIDENT’S GOT IT UNDER THE PRESIDENT’S GOT IT UNDER CONTROL. CONTROL. ALSO, WE DON’T LIKE CHINA. ALSO, WE DON’T LIKE CHINA. AND A GREAT PIECE IN THE “NEW AND A GREAT PIECE IN THE “NEW YORK TIMES,” BEN SMITH WRITES YORK TIMES,” BEN SMITH WRITES ABOUT HOW DESTRUCTIVE THE FOX ABOUT HOW DESTRUCTIVE THE FOX NEWS MESSAGE HAS BEEN. NEWS MESSAGE HAS BEEN. QUOTE, I ASKED THE DIRECTOR OF QUOTE, I ASKED THE DIRECTOR OF THE HARVARD GLOBAL PUBLIC HEALTH THE HARVARD GLOBAL PUBLIC HEALTH INSTITUTE WHO APPEARED ON FOX INSTITUTE WHO APPEARED ON FOX NEWS RECENTLY WHETHER HE NEWS RECENTLY WHETHER HE BELIEVES PEOPLE WILL DIE BECAUSE BELIEVES PEOPLE WILL DIE BECAUSE OF FOX’S COVERAGE. OF FOX’S COVERAGE. AND YES, HE SAID, SOME AND YES, HE SAID, SOME COMMENTATORS IN THE RIGHT WING COMMENTATORS IN THE RIGHT WING MEDIA SPREAD A VERY SPECIFIC MEDIA SPREAD A VERY SPECIFIC TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT I THINK TYPE OF INFORMATION THAT I THINK HAS BEEN VERY HARMFUL. HAS BEEN VERY HARMFUL. AND JOINING ME IS BEN SMITH, AND JOINING ME IS BEN SMITH, MEDIA COLUMNIST FOR “THE NEW MEDIA COLUMNIST FOR “THE NEW YORK TIMES..” YORK TIMES..” DESCRIBE FOR ME THE TRAJECTORY DESCRIBE FOR ME THE TRAJECTORY OF FOX’S APPROACH TO THIS STORY OF FOX’S APPROACH TO THIS STORY AND I THINK WE’RE ENTERING PHASE AND I THINK WE’RE ENTERING PHASE THREE BUT IT HAS HAD TWO PHASES THREE BUT IT HAS HAD TWO PHASES OF NOTHING TO SEE HERE, THIS IS OF NOTHING TO SEE HERE, THIS IS THE DEMOCRATS, AND NOW LET’S GET THE DEMOCRATS, AND NOW LET’S GET SERIOUS. SERIOUS.>>I THINK WE’RE ENTERING PHASE>>I THINK WE’RE ENTERING PHASE FOUR ACTUALLY CHRIS, IT BEGAN FOUR ACTUALLY CHRIS, IT BEGAN WITH FOX TO THE DEGREE THEY WITH FOX TO THE DEGREE THEY TALKED ABOUT IT SAYING THIS IS A TALKED ABOUT IT SAYING THIS IS A SERIOUS THREAT, TUCKER CARLSON, SERIOUS THREAT, TUCKER CARLSON, VERY SERIOUS ABOUT IT, BUT EVEN VERY SERIOUS ABOUT IT, BUT EVEN SOMEBODY LIKE SEAN HANNITY SOMEBODY LIKE SEAN HANNITY SAYING WE’RE CONCERNED ABOUT SAYING WE’RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, HE HAD FAUCI EARLY ON IN THIS, HE HAD FAUCI EARLY ON IN FEBRUARY AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS FEBRUARY AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS CRITICISM OF DONALD TRUMP’S CRITICISM OF DONALD TRUMP’S RESPONSE AND THIS GOT PROCESSED RESPONSE AND THIS GOT PROCESSED AT FOX THE WAY EVERY STORY, A AT FOX THE WAY EVERY STORY, A LOT OF STORIES OF CABLE NEWS IN LOT OF STORIES OF CABLE NEWS IN GENERAL WHICH IS THE LATEST GENERAL WHICH IS THE LATEST POLITICAL FIGHT, AND ALL OF THE POLITICAL FIGHT, AND ALL OF THE COVERAGE WAS REALLY OF THE COVERAGE WAS REALLY OF THE MEDIA. MEDIA. VERY LITTLE OF THE COVERAGE WAS VERY LITTLE OF THE COVERAGE WAS OF THE DISEASE. OF THE DISEASE. I’M NOT SURE SEAN WAS TRYING TO I’M NOT SURE SEAN WAS TRYING TO CALL THE DISEASE A HOAX. CALL THE DISEASE A HOAX. I I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO SAY I I THINK HE WAS TRYING TO SAY THIS IS THE LATEST MEDIA ATTACK THIS IS THE LATEST MEDIA ATTACK BUT WHEN YOU WATCH THAT CHANNEL BUT WHEN YOU WATCH THAT CHANNEL AND YOU THINK ABOUT REPUBLICAN AND YOU THINK ABOUT REPUBLICAN POLITICS RIGHT NOW, A HUGE SHARE POLITICS RIGHT NOW, A HUGE SHARE OF WHAT IS GOING ON IS TALKING OF WHAT IS GOING ON IS TALKING ABOUT THE MEDIA. ABOUT THE MEDIA. AND NOT TALKING ABOUT THE AND NOT TALKING ABOUT THE UNDERLYING THING AT ALL. UNDERLYING THING AT ALL. AND THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A AND THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY A DISASTROUS MISTAKE. DISASTROUS MISTAKE.>>AND WE’VE SEEN IT IN POLLING,>>AND WE’VE SEEN IT IN POLLING, RIGHT, IN TERMS OF THERE IS HUGE RIGHT, IN TERMS OF THERE IS HUGE PARTISAN SPLITS AND HOW SERIOUS PARTISAN SPLITS AND HOW SERIOUS PEOPLE ARE TAKING THIS AND HOW PEOPLE ARE TAKING THIS AND HOW DEADLY THEY THINK IT SAND THERE DEADLY THEY THINK IT SAND THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND WE MAY IS A BIG DIFFERENCE, AND WE MAY SEE IT PLAY OUT IN TERMS OF SEE IT PLAY OUT IN TERMS OF BEHAVIOR, AS THEY’RE NOW KIND OF BEHAVIOR, AS THEY’RE NOW KIND OF REALLY PIVOTING HARD, TOO, LOOK, REALLY PIVOTING HARD, TOO, LOOK, THIS IS BAD BUT WE CAN’T SHUT THIS IS BAD BUT WE CAN’T SHUT DOWN THE WHOLE ECONOMY OVER IT. DOWN THE WHOLE ECONOMY OVER IT.>>YES, I THINK, I MEAN THAT, WE>>YES, I THINK, I MEAN THAT, WE SKIPPED A COUPLE OF PHASES HERE SKIPPED A COUPLE OF PHASES HERE BUT THE NEXT PHASE HERE CLEARLY BUT THE NEXT PHASE HERE CLEARLY SEEMS TO BE DON’T SHUT DOWN THE SEEMS TO BE DON’T SHUT DOWN THE ECONOMY, MAYBE KEEP SOME OF THE ECONOMY, MAYBE KEEP SOME OF THE OLD PEOPLE INSIDE, MAYBE LIEU OLD PEOPLE INSIDE, MAYBE LIEU TENANT GOVERNOR DAN PATRICK SAID TENANT GOVERNOR DAN PATRICK SAID ON FOX JUST NOW, MAYBE LET SOME ON FOX JUST NOW, MAYBE LET SOME OLD PEOPLE DIE AND THAT’S OKAY, OLD PEOPLE DIE AND THAT’S OKAY, TO SAVE THE ECONOMY, I DON’T TO SAVE THE ECONOMY, I DON’T THINK, I AM NOT SURE THAT THINK, I AM NOT SURE THAT MESSAGE WILL REALLY SELL BUT MESSAGE WILL REALLY SELL BUT THEY’RE CLEARLY TRYING TO FIGURE THEY’RE CLEARLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE, HOW TO START OUT HOW TO MOVE, HOW TO START TRYING TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO TRYING TO PERSUADE PEOPLE TO COME OUT OF QUARANTINE. COME OUT OF QUARANTINE.>>WELL, THERE’S ALSO, I MEAN AS>>WELL, THERE’S ALSO, I MEAN AS YOU NOTE, THERE WAS ALSO A GAP YOU NOTE, THERE WAS ALSO A GAP BETWEEN WHAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGE BETWEEN WHAT THE PUBLIC MESSAGE WAS ABOUT THE SERIOUSNESS AND WAS ABOUT THE SERIOUSNESS AND WHAT THE PRIVATE ACTIONS TAKEN WHAT THE PRIVATE ACTIONS TAKEN BY THE MURDOCH FAMILY FOR BY THE MURDOCH FAMILY FOR INSTANCE AND FOX NEWS WERE, INSTANCE AND FOX NEWS WERE, WHICH REFLECTED THAT THEY DID WHICH REFLECTED THAT THEY DID TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, THEY DID VIEW TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, THEY DID VIEW IT AS QUITE SERIOUS AND POSSIBLY IT AS QUITE SERIOUS AND POSSIBLY DANGEROUS. DANGEROUS.>>YES, THE THING, I WENT INTO>>YES, THE THING, I WENT INTO THE STORY, WHAT HAPPENED THERE, THE STORY, WHAT HAPPENED THERE, WHAT IS THE DISASTER AND HOW DID WHAT IS THE DISASTER AND HOW DID IT COME ABOUT AND I WENT AND IT COME ABOUT AND I WENT AND FIRST LOOKED AT THE CEO OF FOX FIRST LOOKED AT THE CEO OF FOX NEWS, AND SHE WAS AS OF LATE NEWS, AND SHE WAS AS OF LATE FEBRUARY, FRANTICALLY ORDERING FEBRUARY, FRANTICALLY ORDERING THE CAFETERIA SANITIZED AND THE CAFETERIA SANITIZED AND STUFF LIKE THAT. STUFF LIKE THAT. SHE APPARENTLY HAD NO CONTROL SHE APPARENTLY HAD NO CONTROL OVER THE ACTUAL TALENT ON THE OVER THE ACTUAL TALENT ON THE NETWORK TALKING ABOUT STUFF. NETWORK TALKING ABOUT STUFF. EVERYTHING ELSE WAS UNDER EVERYTHING ELSE WAS UNDER CONTROL. CONTROL. THE CEO OF FOX, RUPERT MURDOCH, THE CEO OF FOX, RUPERT MURDOCH, NOT PARTICULARLY ENGAGED. NOT PARTICULARLY ENGAGED. AND THE THING THAT I JUST AND THE THING THAT I JUST LEARNED TODAY, ACTUALLY AFTER I LEARNED TODAY, ACTUALLY AFTER I PUBLISHED THE STORY AND I JUST PUBLISHED THE STORY AND I JUST WROTE A NEW STORY ABOUT HOW WROTE A NEW STORY ABOUT HOW RUPERT MURDOCH REALLY KNEW ABOUT RUPERT MURDOCH REALLY KNEW ABOUT IT, 89 YEARS OLD, HAD HEALTH IT, 89 YEARS OLD, HAD HEALTH PROBLEMS AND HAD A BIRTHDAY PROBLEMS AND HAD A BIRTHDAY PARTY PLANNED RIGHT IN THAT PARTY PLANNED RIGHT IN THAT PERIOD FOR HIS 89th BIRTHDAY PERIOD FOR HIS 89th BIRTHDAY RIGHT IN THAT PERIOD WHEN THINGS RIGHT IN THAT PERIOD WHEN THINGS WERE, WHEN HIS NETWORK WAS WERE, WHEN HIS NETWORK WAS PLAYING IT DOWN, AND THEY PLAYING IT DOWN, AND THEY CANCELED THAT BIRTHDAY PARTY CANCELED THAT BIRTHDAY PARTY BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T WANT TO PUT BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T WANT TO PUT HIM AT RISK. HIM AT RISK.>>YOU KNOW, THE BIG QUESTION TO>>YOU KNOW, THE BIG QUESTION TO ME ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE AND ME ABOUT THE WHITE HOUSE AND THIS PARTICULAR CHANNEL, AND THIS PARTICULAR CHANNEL, AND THIS ERA, IS WHICH WAY THE THIS ERA, IS WHICH WAY THE CAUSALITY GOES. CAUSALITY GOES. WE JOKE, WE SAY IT’S NOT, WE JOKE, WE SAY IT’S NOT, SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE A SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE A STATEMENT ON TV AND, STATE RUN STATEMENT ON TV AND, STATE RUN TV AND SOMETIMES A TV-RUN STATE TV AND SOMETIMES A TV-RUN STATE AND IT IS UNCLEAR WHO IS TAKING AND IT IS UNCLEAR WHO IS TAKING THE MARCHING ORDERS AND WHO IS THE MARCHING ORDERS AND WHO IS GETTING THEM AND IN THIS CASE, GETTING THEM AND IN THIS CASE, WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF THAT THAT WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF THAT THAT FEEDBACK. FEEDBACK. TUCKER CARLSON HAD TAKEN THIS TUCKER CARLSON HAD TAKEN THIS SERIOUSLY, HE DROVE TO SERIOUSLY, HE DROVE TO MAR-A-LAGO TO CONVINCE TRUMP TO MAR-A-LAGO TO CONVINCE TRUMP TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, THERE ARE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN INDIFFERENT. INDIFFERENT. HOW HAS THE SORT OF CAUSAL ARROW HOW HAS THE SORT OF CAUSAL ARROW OF INFLUENCE BEEN WORKING RIGHT OF INFLUENCE BEEN WORKING RIGHT NOW? NOW?>>IT’S NOT AN ARROW OR A CIRCLE>>IT’S NOT AN ARROW OR A CIRCLE OR SOME KIND OF PAINTING, I OR SOME KIND OF PAINTING, I IMAGINE TRUMP AS A GUY WALKING IMAGINE TRUMP AS A GUY WALKING DOWN THE STREET JUST STARING AT DOWN THE STREET JUST STARING AT A MIRROR, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN A MIRROR, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN IT’S, IT’S VERY EASY, OBVIOUSLY IT’S, IT’S VERY EASY, OBVIOUSLY TAKING HIS CUES FROM FOX AND TAKING HIS CUES FROM FOX AND FEEDING BACK TO THEM, YOU KNOW, FEEDING BACK TO THEM, YOU KNOW, HE HAS A LOT OF POWER OVER SOME HE HAS A LOT OF POWER OVER SOME OF THOSE HOST, TUCKER WAS ABLE OF THOSE HOST, TUCKER WAS ABLE TO GET THROUGH TO HIM, TO GET THROUGH TO HIM, BASICALLY, ON AIR AND IN PERSON, BASICALLY, ON AIR AND IN PERSON, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THESE HOSTS HAVE A LOT OF POWER HOSTS HAVE A LOT OF POWER BECAUSE THEY DON’T REALLY SEEM BECAUSE THEY DON’T REALLY SEEM TO HAVE BOSSES EXERCISING ANY TO HAVE BOSSES EXERCISING ANY KIND OF JUDGMENT AT ALL. KIND OF JUDGMENT AT ALL.>>I THINK WE’RE NOW IN THIS>>I THINK WE’RE NOW IN THIS PHASE, A DANGEROUS PHASE, I PHASE, A DANGEROUS PHASE, I THINK, AGAIN, RIGHT, THE IDEA OF THINK, AGAIN, RIGHT, THE IDEA OF WHERE WE’RE HEADED NOW, IT’S WHERE WE’RE HEADED NOW, IT’S CLEAR, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS NOT CLEAR, YOU KNOW, AND THIS IS NOT JUST FOX, I MEAN THERE’S A SORT JUST FOX, I MEAN THERE’S A SORT OF CONCERTED REPUBLICAN QUARTER OF CONCERTED REPUBLICAN QUARTER SHOUTING OUT, CONSERVATIVE SHOUTING OUT, CONSERVATIVE VOICE, “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” VOICE, “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” EDITORIAL PAGE BEING A GREAT EDITORIAL PAGE BEING A GREAT EXAMPLE OF THIS AND ELSEWHERE, EXAMPLE OF THIS AND ELSEWHERE, SAYING YOU CAN’T LISTEN TO THESE SAYING YOU CAN’T LISTEN TO THESE CRAZY, YOU KNOW, POINTY-HEADED CRAZY, YOU KNOW, POINTY-HEADED LEFTY PUBLIC HEALTH PEOPLE, WHO LEFTY PUBLIC HEALTH PEOPLE, WHO WANT TO SHUT DOWN YOUR ECONOMY, WANT TO SHUT DOWN YOUR ECONOMY, LIKE WE GOT TO GET BACK TO LIKE WE GOT TO GET BACK TO BUSINESS HERE, AND IT’S GOING TO BUSINESS HERE, AND IT’S GOING TO BE A REAL QUESTION, I THINK YOU BE A REAL QUESTION, I THINK YOU CAN IMAGINE, A WORLD IN WHICH CAN IMAGINE, A WORLD IN WHICH THIS BECOMES ESSENTIALLY A THIS BECOMES ESSENTIALLY A CULTURAL ISSUE, IN THAT RED CULTURAL ISSUE, IN THAT RED AMERICA IS LIKE, WE’RE GOING TO AMERICA IS LIKE, WE’RE GOING TO OPEN UFO FOR BUSINESS AND RURAL OPEN UFO FOR BUSINESS AND RURAL AMERICA ISN’T, AND THE VIRUS AMERICA ISN’T, AND THE VIRUS DOESN’T CARE, REALLY, LIKE WHAT DOESN’T CARE, REALLY, LIKE WHAT KIND OF POLITICS THE DIFFERENT KIND OF POLITICS THE DIFFERENT STATES HAVE. STATES HAVE.>>YES, I THINK THAT’S EXACTLY>>YES, I THINK THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT, AND IT IS ALSO NOTABLE, RIGHT, AND IT IS ALSO NOTABLE, IT’S COMING OUT OF, “THE WALL IT’S COMING OUT OF, “THE WALL STREET JOURNAL” EDITORIAL PAGE, STREET JOURNAL” EDITORIAL PAGE, REALLY STARTED THE DRUMBEAT ON




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