Hayes: We Should Run The Presidential Election The Way We Run EVERY Other Election. | All In | MSNBC


HOW ARE WE DOING, EVERYBODY? GOOD TO SEE YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE — WE ARE BACK HERE LIVE WE ARE — WE ARE BACK HERE LIVE IN 30 ROCK SECOND WEEK IN A ROW. IN 30 ROCK SECOND WEEK IN A ROW. IT’S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE. IT’S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHOA, AGAIN. WHOA, AGAIN. SO THE REPUBLICANS THIS WEEK SO THE REPUBLICANS THIS WEEK WERE ATTACKING DEMOCRATIC WERE ATTACKING DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT ALEXANDRIA CONGRESSWOMAN-ELECT ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, AND IN THEIR OCASIO-CORTEZ, AND IN THEIR DEFENSE, THEY DO THAT EVERY DEFENSE, THEY DO THAT EVERY WEEK. WEEK. I DON’T KNOW WHY. I DON’T KNOW WHY. SHE DRIVES THEM NUTS FOR SOME SHE DRIVES THEM NUTS FOR SOME REASON. REASON. THIS WEEK THEY WERE ATTACKING THIS WEEK THEY WERE ATTACKING HER BECAUSE SHE WENT AFTER AN HER BECAUSE SHE WENT AFTER AN INSTITUTION THAT HAS BECOME KIND INSTITUTION THAT HAS BECOME KIND OF SACRED, I THINK, TO OF SACRED, I THINK, TO REPUBLICANS, AND THAT’S THE REPUBLICANS, AND THAT’S THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE. ELECTORAL COLLEGE. AOC’S ARGUMENT WAS BASICALLY AOC’S ARGUMENT WAS BASICALLY THAT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE THAT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE UNFAIRLY DIMINISHES THE VOTING UNFAIRLY DIMINISHES THE VOTING POWER OF SOME AMERICANS AND POWER OF SOME AMERICANS AND THEREFORE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH THEREFORE IS INCOMPATIBLE WITH OUR BASIC DEMOCRATIC OUR BASIC DEMOCRATIC COMMITMENTS. COMMITMENTS. THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT. THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT. REPUBLICANS FLIPPED OUT, ALL REPUBLICANS FLIPPED OUT, ALL RIGHT. RIGHT. THEY WENT AFTER HER VERY HARD. THEY WENT AFTER HER VERY HARD. TRUMP TV DID A BUNCH OF SEGMENTS TRUMP TV DID A BUNCH OF SEGMENTS ABOUT IT. ABOUT IT. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THERE WAS A THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, THERE WAS A FRESHMAN REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN FRESHMAN REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN DAN CRENSHAW FROM TEXAS. DAN CRENSHAW FROM TEXAS. HE TWEETED AT HER THAT WE LIVE HE TWEETED AT HER THAT WE LIVE IN A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY. IN A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY. YOU PROBABLY HEARD THAT BEFORE. YOU PROBABLY HEARD THAT BEFORE. AND THIS IS A QUOTE, 51% DOESN’T AND THIS IS A QUOTE, 51% DOESN’T GET TO BOSS AROUND 49%. GET TO BOSS AROUND 49%. WE’LL TALK A BIT. WE’LL TALK A BIT. AND THEN THE PRESIDENT’S AND THEN THE PRESIDENT’S CAMPAIGN TOOK IT TO A TOTALLY CAMPAIGN TOOK IT TO A TOTALLY NEW LEVEL. NEW LEVEL. THEY SENT THIS TOTALLY INSANE THEY SENT THIS TOTALLY INSANE EMAIL, A FUNDRAISING EMAIL OUT EMAIL, A FUNDRAISING EMAIL OUT TO THEIR LIST, BASICALLY TO THEIR LIST, BASICALLY ACCUSING AOC, BECAUSE SHE WAS ACCUSING AOC, BECAUSE SHE WAS ADVOCATING FOR MAJORITY RULE OF ADVOCATING FOR MAJORITY RULE OF ATTEMPTING A COUP TO ATTEMPTING A COUP TO DISENFRANCHISE REPUBLICAN DISENFRANCHISE REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES. CONSERVATIVES. THEY EXPLICITLY SAY IN THEIR THEY EXPLICITLY SAY IN THEIR EMAIL, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, NOT EMAIL, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, NOT THEIRS. THEIRS. YEAH, QUESTIONABLE. YEAH, QUESTIONABLE. DEMOCRATS WOULD RATHER CHANGE DEMOCRATS WOULD RATHER CHANGE THE RULES SO THEIR ELITE FRIENDS THE RULES SO THEIR ELITE FRIENDS IN NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA CAN IN NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA CAN REGAIN THEIR POWER. REGAIN THEIR POWER. AND THIS I THINK ACTUALLY HAS AND THIS I THINK ACTUALLY HAS BECOME A MAJOR FAULT LINE. BECOME A MAJOR FAULT LINE. IN FACT, ONE OF THE MOST IN FACT, ONE OF THE MOST PROFOUND FAULT LINES IN THE PROFOUND FAULT LINES IN THE HISTORY OF AMERICAN POLITICS. HISTORY OF AMERICAN POLITICS. IT’S BASICALLY THIS. IT’S BASICALLY THIS. DO WE ACTUALLY REALLY BELIEVE IN DO WE ACTUALLY REALLY BELIEVE IN DEMOCRACY, RIGHT? DEMOCRACY, RIGHT? THE QUESTION BEFORE US NOW IN THE QUESTION BEFORE US NOW IN THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE QUESTION THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE QUESTION IS ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY LIVE IS ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY LIVE UP TO THE PROMISE OF ONE PERSON, UP TO THE PROMISE OF ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE? ONE VOTE? NOW, TO BE FAIR, IT IS NOT NOW, TO BE FAIR, IT IS NOT SURPRISING THE REPUBLICANS ARE SURPRISING THE REPUBLICANS ARE DEFENDING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, DEFENDING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, RIGHT? RIGHT? THERE IS A VERY OBVIOUS REASON THERE IS A VERY OBVIOUS REASON FOR THAT. FOR THAT. SINCE 1992, WE HAVE HAD SEVEN SINCE 1992, WE HAVE HAD SEVEN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS. REPUBLICANS HAVE WON THE POPULAR REPUBLICANS HAVE WON THE POPULAR VOTE ONE TIME. VOTE ONE TIME. BUT THEY’VE GOTTEN THREE BUT THEY’VE GOTTEN THREE PRESIDENTS OUT OF IT. PRESIDENTS OUT OF IT. WHICH IS A VERY SWEET DEAL, IF WHICH IS A VERY SWEET DEAL, IF YOU’RE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. YOU’RE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. RIGHT? RIGHT? YOU CAN SEE WHY I’M ON JUST YOU CAN SEE WHY I’M ON JUST BASIC TACTICAL GROUNDS WHILE THE BASIC TACTICAL GROUNDS WHILE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WOULD WANT TO REPUBLICAN PARTY WOULD WANT TO CONTINUE A SYSTEM IN WHICH THEY CONTINUE A SYSTEM IN WHICH THEY CAN LOSE A MAJORITY OF VOTES AND CAN LOSE A MAJORITY OF VOTES AND STILL GET ALL THE POWERS OF THE STILL GET ALL THE POWERS OF THE PRESIDENCY, APPOINTING THE PRESIDENCY, APPOINTING THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND JUDGES AND SIGNING LEGISLATION, JUDGES AND SIGNING LEGISLATION, VETOING LEGISLATION, COMMANDING VETOING LEGISLATION, COMMANDING THE ARMY, EVERYTHING, RIGHT? THE ARMY, EVERYTHING, RIGHT? ALL OF THAT WITH LESS VOTES THAN ALL OF THAT WITH LESS VOTES THAN THE DEMOCRAT GOT. THE DEMOCRAT GOT. NO WONDER THEY LIKE IT. NO WONDER THEY LIKE IT. BUT I THINK THERE IS ACTUALLY A BUT I THINK THERE IS ACTUALLY A DEEPER PHILOSOPHICAL THING DEEPER PHILOSOPHICAL THING HAPPENING, WHICH IS THE QUESTION HAPPENING, WHICH IS THE QUESTION OF WHAT EXACTLY AMERICAN OF WHAT EXACTLY AMERICAN DEMOCRACY IS FOR. DEMOCRACY IS FOR. AND THE WEIRDEST THING ABOUT THE AND THE WEIRDEST THING ABOUT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS THE FACT ELECTORAL COLLEGE IS THE FACT THAT IF IT WASN’T SPECIFICALLY THAT IF IT WASN’T SPECIFICALLY IN THE CONSTITUTION FOR THE IN THE CONSTITUTION FOR THE PRESIDENCY, IT WOULD BE PRESIDENCY, IT WOULD BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. UNCONSTITUTIONAL. HERE’S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. HERE’S WHAT I MEAN BY THAT. STARTING IN THE 1960s, 1961 STARTING IN THE 1960s, 1961 PARTICULARLY, THE SUPREME COURT PARTICULARLY, THE SUPREME COURT STARTED DEVELOPING A STARTED DEVELOPING A JURISPRUDENCE OF ONE PERSON, ONE JURISPRUDENCE OF ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, RIGHT? VOTE, RIGHT? THE IDEA IS THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL THE IDEA IS THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL VOTE HAS TO CARRY ROUGHLY THE VOTE HAS TO CARRY ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF WEIGHT AS EACH SAME AMOUNT OF WEIGHT AS EACH OTHER INDIVIDUAL VOTE, WHICH IS OTHER INDIVIDUAL VOTE, WHICH IS A PRETTY INTUITIVE CONCEPT, BUT A PRETTY INTUITIVE CONCEPT, BUT IT WAS NOT A REALITY. IT WAS NOT A REALITY. THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF CRAZY THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF CRAZY REPRESENTATIONAL SYSTEMS THAT REPRESENTATIONAL SYSTEMS THAT WERE CREATED THAT WOULD NOT GIVE WERE CREATED THAT WOULD NOT GIVE ONE PERSON ONE VOTE AND WOULD ONE PERSON ONE VOTE AND WOULD DISENFRANCHISE CERTAIN DISENFRANCHISE CERTAIN MINORITIES. MINORITIES. YOU CAN GUESS WHICH ONES. YOU CAN GUESS WHICH ONES. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE. HERE IS AN EXAMPLE. LET’S SAY YOU GOT A CITY. LET’S SAY YOU GOT A CITY. IT’S 60% BLACK ABOUT AND IT’S IT’S 60% BLACK ABOUT AND IT’S 40% WHITE. 40% WHITE. HERE’S HOW YOU ENSURE WHITE HERE’S HOW YOU ENSURE WHITE PEOPLE STAY IN CHARGE. PEOPLE STAY IN CHARGE. DIVIDE THE CITY INTO FOUR VOTING DIVIDE THE CITY INTO FOUR VOTING DISTRICTS, RIGHT? DISTRICTS, RIGHT? BUT YOU PUT THE ENTIRE BLACK BUT YOU PUT THE ENTIRE BLACK POPULATION IN ONE DISTRICT, 60% POPULATION IN ONE DISTRICT, 60% OF THE PEOPLE. OF THE PEOPLE. AND THEN EACH DISTRICT ELECTS AND THEN EACH DISTRICT ELECTS ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. ONE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. AND VOILA, NOW THE CITY COUNCIL AND VOILA, NOW THE CITY COUNCIL FOR A MAJORITY BLACK CITY IS RUN FOR A MAJORITY BLACK CITY IS RUN BY A MAJORITY WHITE GOVERNMENT. BY A MAJORITY WHITE GOVERNMENT. THIS KIND OF THING THEY DID ALL THIS KIND OF THING THEY DID ALL OVER THE SOUTH AND ALL OVER THE OVER THE SOUTH AND ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, ALL RIGHT? COUNTRY, ALL RIGHT? AND FINALLY, THE SUPREME COURT AND FINALLY, THE SUPREME COURT SAYS NO, YOU CAN’T DO THAT. SAYS NO, YOU CAN’T DO THAT. YOU CANNOT JUST COME UP WITH YOU CANNOT JUST COME UP WITH CRAZY SYSTEMS OF REPRESENTATION CRAZY SYSTEMS OF REPRESENTATION TO ESSENTIALLY STYMIE THE BASIC TO ESSENTIALLY STYMIE THE BASIC PRINCIPLE OF MAJORITY RULE. PRINCIPLE OF MAJORITY RULE. AND OVER THE COURSE OF DECADES, AND OVER THE COURSE OF DECADES, THEY STRIKE DOWN REPRESENTATION THEY STRIKE DOWN REPRESENTATION SYSTEM AFTER REPRESENTATION SYSTEM AFTER REPRESENTATION SYSTEM BECAUSE IT DOESN’T MEET SYSTEM BECAUSE IT DOESN’T MEET THE STANDARD THEY HAVE THE STANDARD THEY HAVE ARTICULATED. ARTICULATED. EVEN THIS CITY, NEW YORK CITY’S EVEN THIS CITY, NEW YORK CITY’S LONG-STANDING SYSTEM OF LONG-STANDING SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT GOT STRUCK DOWN IN GOVERNMENT GOT STRUCK DOWN IN 1989 BECAUSE WE HAD THIS BURL 1989 BECAUSE WE HAD THIS BURL PRESIDENT SYSTEM WHERE 200 PRESIDENT SYSTEM WHERE 200 MILLION PEOPLE IN THE BRONX AND MILLION PEOPLE IN THE BRONX AND 500,000 IN STATEN ISLAND EACH 500,000 IN STATEN ISLAND EACH HAD A BOROUGH PRESIDENT. HAD A BOROUGH PRESIDENT. THE COURT IS YOU CAN’T DO IT. THE COURT IS YOU CAN’T DO IT. THE BASIC PRINCIPLE ONE PERSON, THE BASIC PRINCIPLE ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, THE CANDIDATE THE MOST ONE VOTE, THE CANDIDATE THE MOST VOTES WINS, THOSE ARE THE BASIC VOTES WINS, THOSE ARE THE BASIC PRINCIPLES THAT ARE APPLIED PRINCIPLES THAT ARE APPLIED EVERYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES, EVERYWHERE IN THE UNITED STATES, EVERY SINGLE ELECTION FROM DOG EVERY SINGLE ELECTION FROM DOG CACCIATORE STATE SENATOR TO CACCIATORE STATE SENATOR TO GOVERNOR UP TO TWO INSTITUTIONS, GOVERNOR UP TO TWO INSTITUTIONS, THE TWO MOST POWERFUL. THE TWO MOST POWERFUL. UNITED STATES SENATE, RIGHT, AND UNITED STATES SENATE, RIGHT, AND THIS MIGHT BE FOR ANOTHER SHOW, THIS MIGHT BE FOR ANOTHER SHOW, BUT YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THE BUT YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THE SAME NUMBER OF SENATORS SAME NUMBER OF SENATORS REPRESENT THE 40 MILLION OF REPRESENT THE 40 MILLION OF CALIFORNIA AND THE HALF MILLION CALIFORNIA AND THE HALF MILLION PEOPLE OF WYOMING. PEOPLE OF WYOMING. NOT REALLY ONE PERSON, ONE NOT REALLY ONE PERSON, ONE VOTEE. VOTEE. AND THEN OF COURSE THE OTHER AND THEN OF COURSE THE OTHER INSTITUTION, THE PRESIDENCY. INSTITUTION, THE PRESIDENCY. TAKE A STEP BACK FOR A SECOND TAKE A STEP BACK FOR A SECOND AND JUST PONDER HOW PREPOSTEROUS AND JUST PONDER HOW PREPOSTEROUS IT IS THAT FOR THE MOST POWERFUL IT IS THAT FOR THE MOST POWERFUL OFFICE, THAT’S THE CASE. OFFICE, THAT’S THE CASE. RIGHT? RIGHT? LIKE IF YOU RUN FOR CLASS LIKE IF YOU RUN FOR CLASS PRESIDENT IN THE FOURTH GRADE, PRESIDENT IN THE FOURTH GRADE, YOU ARE ELECTED IF AND ONLY IF YOU ARE ELECTED IF AND ONLY IF YOU GET THE MOST VOTES. YOU GET THE MOST VOTES. EVERY ELECTION. EVERY ELECTION. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] IF YOU RUN FOR SHERIFF OR MAYOR IF YOU RUN FOR SHERIFF OR MAYOR OR GOVERNOR OR SENATOR, YOU WIN OR GOVERNOR OR SENATOR, YOU WIN IF YOU GET THE MOST VOTES. IF YOU GET THE MOST VOTES. THAT’S IT. THAT’S IT. THAT’S THE PRINCIPLE. THAT’S THE PRINCIPLE. THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION, THERE IS ONE EXCEPTION, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. NOW, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF NOW, THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL YOU THIS IS PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL YOU THIS IS GOD FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS, GOD FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS, AND THEY’RE ALL WRONG. AND THEY’RE ALL WRONG. A FEW THINGS TO NOTE, ONE, THE A FEW THINGS TO NOTE, ONE, THE IDEA THAT HISTORICALLY THIS HAD IDEA THAT HISTORICALLY THIS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH LIKE THE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LIKE THE REPRESENTATION OF THE RURAL REPRESENTATION OF THE RURAL AREAS AGAINST THE URBAN ELITES AREAS AGAINST THE URBAN ELITES IS BUNK. IS BUNK. AMERICA WAS, AS YOU MIGHT AMERICA WAS, AS YOU MIGHT RECALL, PRETTY DARN RURAL AT THE RECALL, PRETTY DARN RURAL AT THE TIME OF THE CONSTITUTION’S TIME OF THE CONSTITUTION’S DRAFTING, RIGHT? DRAFTING, RIGHT? THE REAL GENESIS OF THE THE REAL GENESIS OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE WAS THE BELIEF ELECTORAL COLLEGE WAS THE BELIEF SHARED BY A LOT OF THE FOUNDERS SHARED BY A LOT OF THE FOUNDERS THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE WERE DUMB THAT ORDINARY PEOPLE WERE DUMB AND COULDN’T BE TRUSTED TO ELECT AND COULDN’T BE TRUSTED TO ELECT A PRESIDENT. A PRESIDENT. SO INSTEAD, PEOPLE WOULD ELECT SO INSTEAD, PEOPLE WOULD ELECT ELECTORS, WHO WOULD IN TURN ELECTORS, WHO WOULD IN TURN CONVENE AND PICK A WISE MAN. CONVENE AND PICK A WISE MAN. ALEXANDER HAMILTON, AMONG OTHERS ALEXANDER HAMILTON, AMONG OTHERS DID NOT WANT NORMAL PEOPLE DID NOT WANT NORMAL PEOPLE CHOOSING PRESIDENT. CHOOSING PRESIDENT. HE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. HE WAS VERY CLEAR ABOUT THIS. HE WANTED, QUOTE, A SMALL NUMBER HE WANTED, QUOTE, A SMALL NUMBER OF PERSONS TO DO IT. OF PERSONS TO DO IT. BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE BUT THE WHOLE IDEA OF THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AS A BODY THAT ELECTORAL COLLEGE AS A BODY THAT WOULD PICK SOMEBODY, IT WOULD PICK SOMEBODY, IT COLLAPSED QUICKLY. COLLAPSED QUICKLY. WE NEVER REALLY HAD THAT SYSTEM. WE NEVER REALLY HAD THAT SYSTEM. IT HAS BEEN OUTDATED SINCE IT HAS BEEN OUTDATED SINCE BASICALLY THE THIRD ELECTION THE BASICALLY THE THIRD ELECTION THE COUNTRY HAD. COUNTRY HAD. AND THE OTHER THING YOU HEAR ALL AND THE OTHER THING YOU HEAR ALL THE TIME, AND THIS IS WHAT DAN THE TIME, AND THIS IS WHAT DAN CRENSHAW SAYS IS THAT WHAT THEY CRENSHAW SAYS IS THAT WHAT THEY DO IS THEY LOOK AT THIS MAP. DO IS THEY LOOK AT THIS MAP. TRUMP SAYS THIS TOO. TRUMP SAYS THIS TOO. THEY LOOK AT HOW THIS MAP, AND THEY LOOK AT HOW THIS MAP, AND THEY SAY TO YOU, HOW ELSE CAN WE THEY SAY TO YOU, HOW ELSE CAN WE GET PRESIDENTS TO LISTEN TO GET PRESIDENTS TO LISTEN TO THESE VAST SWATHS OF THE THESE VAST SWATHS OF THE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. RIGHT? RIGHT? YOU SEE THIS MAP? YOU SEE THIS MAP? YOU’VE SEEN THIS MAP BEFORE? YOU’VE SEEN THIS MAP BEFORE? IS THIS IS A MAP THAT DONALD IS THIS IS A MAP THAT DONALD TRUMP LOVES. TRUMP LOVES. IT IS IN FACT A MAP THAT IS UP IT IS IN FACT A MAP THAT IS UP AT THE WHITE HOUSE. AT THE WHITE HOUSE. NO, SERIOUSLY, IT’S THE FIRST NO, SERIOUSLY, IT’S THE FIRST THING THEY PUT UP. THING THEY PUT UP. OKAY? OKAY? BUT HERE IS THE THING. BUT HERE IS THE THING. THIS IS A MAP OF LAND, NOT OF THIS IS A MAP OF LAND, NOT OF HUMAN BEINGS. HUMAN BEINGS. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] AND IT IS TRUE, HERE’S THE AND IT IS TRUE, HERE’S THE WEIRDEST PART. WEIRDEST PART. IT IS TRUE THAT IN THE UNITED IT IS TRUE THAT IN THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, THANKS TO STATES CONSTITUTION, THANKS TO THE SENATE AND THE ELECTORAL THE SENATE AND THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, LAND GETS TO VOTE. COLLEGE, LAND GETS TO VOTE. LIKE THE ACTUAL SOIL OF WYOMING, LIKE THE ACTUAL SOIL OF WYOMING, THE ACREAGE OF SOUTH DAKOTA, THE THE ACREAGE OF SOUTH DAKOTA, THE SQUARE PLOTS OF THE VAST EXPANSE SQUARE PLOTS OF THE VAST EXPANSE OF UTAH, THEY GET VOTES BECAUSE OF UTAH, THEY GET VOTES BECAUSE THEY ARE LAND. THEY ARE LAND. IT’S WEIRD WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT’S WEIRD WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. IT. BUT THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS. BUT THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS. AND THAT’S WHY YOU GET THESE AND THAT’S WHY YOU GET THESE MAPS, AND THAT’S WHY THE MAPS, AND THAT’S WHY THE PRESIDENT LIKES THESE MAPS. PRESIDENT LIKES THESE MAPS. HE THINKS IT SHOWS HOW MUCH HE THINKS IT SHOWS HOW MUCH AMERICA LOVES HIM. AMERICA LOVES HIM. IN REALITY, THIS IS A MAP OF A IN REALITY, THIS IS A MAP OF A MINORITY OF THE COUNTRY. MINORITY OF THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE WAY, WAY, WAY MORE THERE ARE WAY, WAY, WAY MORE PEOPLE IN THE BLUE AREAS THAN IN PEOPLE IN THE BLUE AREAS THAN IN THE RED AREAS, RIGHT? THE RED AREAS, RIGHT? IN THIS MAP, THIS EXACT MAP, IN THIS MAP, THIS EXACT MAP, RIGHT, HILLARY CLINTON GOT THREE RIGHT, HILLARY CLINTON GOT THREE MILLION MORE VOTES THAN DONALD MILLION MORE VOTES THAN DONALD TRUMP. TRUMP. THAT IS WHAT IS PROTECTING THE THAT IS WHAT IS PROTECTING THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE HAS BECOME ALL ELECTORAL COLLEGE HAS BECOME ALL ABOUT. ABOUT. IT’S ABOUT THE FACT THAT ONE OF IT’S ABOUT THE FACT THAT ONE OF THE MAJOR POLITICAL COLLISIONS THE MAJOR POLITICAL COLLISIONS IN AMERICAN LIFE DOESN’T WANT IN AMERICAN LIFE DOESN’T WANT AMERICANS, A MAJORITY TO RUN THE AMERICANS, A MAJORITY TO RUN THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY FEAR. COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY FEAR. THEY KNOW, THEY SUSPECT DEEP THEY KNOW, THEY SUSPECT DEEP DOWN THAT THEY ARE IN THE DOWN THAT THEY ARE IN THE MINORITY. MINORITY. AND THAT BRINGS US BACK TO DAN AND THAT BRINGS US BACK TO DAN CRENSHAW, WHO SAYS THAT THE CRENSHAW, WHO SAYS THAT THE NATURE OF AMERICAN NATURE OF AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT IS CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT IS BECAUSE WE ARE A REPUBLIC, NOT A BECAUSE WE ARE A REPUBLIC, NOT A DEMOCRACY, THE 51% CAN’T BOSS DEMOCRACY, THE 51% CAN’T BOSS AROUND THE 49%. AROUND THE 49%. BUT WHAT HE AND HIS PARTY ARE BUT WHAT HE AND HIS PARTY ARE ADVOCATING IS A WORLD IN WHICH ADVOCATING IS A WORLD IN WHICH THE 49% BOSS AROUND THE 51%. THE 49% BOSS AROUND THE 51%. [ APPLAUSE ] [ APPLAUSE ] AND THAT IS BOTH ANTI-DEMOCRATIC AND THAT IS BOTH ANTI-DEMOCRATIC AND PERVERSE. AND PERVERSE. AMERICA IS A DEMOCRACY, AND IF AMERICA IS A DEMOCRACY, AND IF ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE MEANS ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE MEANS ANYTHING AT ALL, IT’S TIME TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL, IT’S TIME TO DO SOMETHING TOTALLY RADICAL, AND SOMETHING TOTALLY RADICAL, AND THAT IS THIS. THAT IS THIS. RUN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION RUN THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION THE WAY WE RUN EVERY OTHER THE WAY WE RUN EVERY OTHER ELECTION. ELECTION. THE PERSON WITH THE MOST VOTES




Comments
  1. You dum. Obviously, the only reason you all feel that the electoral college should be abolished is Trump. Plus, you don't really know basic things. Oh well… Reeeeeeee, I guess…?

  2. To change the Electoral College requires a constitutional amendment. The states that you hate would have to pass it. Good luck with that.

  3. MSNBC continues to push racism and instead of explaining why the United states of America is the United States of America and why the constitution is the way it is instead of continuing to Hate America.

    Educate viewers instead of screaming racism and spreading hatred and division.

  4. The electoral college makes sure that every vote does count. Without it, places like Kansas would never matter in deciding the presidency. We are a constitutional republic, not a pure democracy. A pure democracy can still be tyrannical. Chris Hayes and AOC, constitutional scholars they are not. https://youtu.be/1XFIIVScvls

  5. Bro. You need to get a con law lawyer to explain all of this to you. 1L's can debunk this crap. Holy moly high school social studies kids could probably explain circles around you.

  6. I used to believe that in the 2000 election. But after researching the topic more intensely I find that the Electoral College is necessary. Otherwise there's no purpose in having States

  7. I used to believe that in the 2000 election. But after researching the topic more intensely I find that the Electoral College is necessary. Otherwise there's no purpose in having States

  8. you're a moron. You Can't be American. I'm Canadian and we are jealous of the perfect system your country has. Mob rules is not Democracy. Democracy would be each state having an equal say.

  9. What a complete fool!! Giving a speech on the electoral college and doesn’t even understand how it works or why the founding fathers chose it.

  10. Note that Chris doesn't have any opposing view on his show…….because he can't actually debate this and win. He has a fundamental lack of understanding of the Constitution and the founding of our country.,

  11. You are the “stoopidest” person to try and discuss the electoral college. If I were you’re prof, you’d clearly FAIL when discussing this.

    Clearly you’ve not read anything from our founding fathers, who all wrote in regards to the college and why it’s here. ::hint hint:: it’s similar to why we have 2 reps for senate and why we having differing reps for the house. It’s all about the STATE choosing a leader…not a people’s.

    It’s a shame they let someone like you on MSNBC to “educate” America. ::facepalm::

    There are definitely better people out there who can actually help Americans make informed decisions as opposed to partisan decisions. SHAME ON YOU AND MSNBC!

  12. The electoral college is obsolete and is obviously impractical, but people still cling to it because it has been a long-standing part of political process. Many people still think that the founding fathers are so wise and beyond fault. Well maybe the electoral college made sense during their time, but just like everything else, it has to adapt to changes to be relevant and effective.

  13. The electoral college is only one part of the problem. It's not just the system that's voted in, but the way we vote. First past the post doesn't work. Period

  14. I really like Chris and I have a lot of respect for what he says. I completely agree that the electoral college doesn't work. The thing I can't get my head around, when talking about 1 vote 1 person, is that it seems to me that the vast majority of votes move to urban centers. The highest population densities are in cities. Therefore, that's where the most votes will be and so the wants and needs of the people in the city would get the most votes. Wouldn't they? A guy working in a software development company or an auto mechanic working downtown isn't going to care about the same things as a farmer. Maybe I'm missing something but isn't there a system that compensates for this bias? Maybe something in the middle?.

    And regarding Chris's presentation style. I think it needs some polishing. Try to stop saying "right" after every other sentence. Drop the forced applause (MSNBC). And stop yelling, start speaking calmly, clearly and loudly (different than yelling). I know what I'm talking about, I present often and to thousands of people sometimes. I think it will come with practice. Keep up the great work Chris.

  15. we have a constitutional republic for a reason. it's not a populous democratic rule. If you want such things go live somewhere else. Why not talk about Illegal immigrants being counted in the United States Census Bureau altering the amount of districts a state has thus altering the amount of electoral votes gained in the election? Probably too much logic for Chris Hayes to understand.

  16. In theory the electoral college isn't as undemocratic as he claimed, each state gets 2 electorates for its 2 senators and then 1 for each of its members of congress. Congressional districts are made of just under 750,000 people so the more populated states do get more electoral votes. Where it breaks down is on the state level while some states spread their electorates proportionally with the votes, other states work on the winner takes all, then of cause the Governor can chose who to send. It is bastardized form of the parliamentary system where the leader of the party with the most members in usual the lower house (congress) is the Prime Minister (elected ruler) the difference is the electoral college has only one function to decide the President but doesn't have to deal with results.

  17. But why doesnt he talk about WHY the founding fathers put the electoral college in in the first place?
    It was to stop majority rule. The death of every democracy. The founding fathers were incredibly aware about this and it is a fact no one seems to ever mention.

  18. Hayes does not understand the nature of "The United States" concept. What are "States", Chris? Did you take FIVE minutes to read about how our REPUBLIC came into being??
    You MOR_N! Trump Derangement Syndrome is no excuse for your championing of the Russia Trump collusion hoax! You are a disgrace!

  19. Minorities are protected within our system! In Hayes's version of reality, the tyranny of the masses will prevail every time.

    Is that really what you want, small brained man?

  20. Chris Hayes and AOC might be two of the most ignorant and stupid human beings on the planet. Hayes' complete diarrhea of the mouth reminded me of that scene from the classic film Billy Madison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

    How does this video have four times the LIKES as DISLIKES? The comments would say otherwise.

  21. RepubliCONs hate democracy. They famously don't even want everyone to vote and it's because they know they're policies are for a small, specific group.

    If they want to win fairly, I have a novel idea: be better stewards for ALL CITIZENS. Maybe more people will vote for you.

  22. yea! well said!  we should make the General Presidential Election exactly like our 4th grade Presidential election.  that's like the best smartest thing you said!  I think?  and since land gets a vote, im gonna spend my days convincing my backyard who to vote for.

  23. The electoral college & US Senate ensures that US citizens do not have taxation w/o representation. Heard that phrase before? The three branches of government are decided partly by population and yet equally by representation of state governments. We are the UNITED STATES. It's in the name folks. The United States is essentially more similar the the EU than a small country in the EU. Fifty states coming together for economic stability and protection from invaders. Big govt demos would like to eradicate state governments and steamroll everyone into submission. Imagine New York raping Utah for it's natural resources during industrialization. People in Utah would starve while NY was rolling in it. There are countries like that currently. Move there if you please.

  24. Is this guy for real? He can't really be a political reporter and be this clueless about what the electoral college is all about. And land gets a vote? Is he drunk? So he points out that the Constitution sets what is Constitutional. Wow … What a genius!!

  25. Hayes lies and exaggerates. There was a time when the media tried to make sure what they reported was true. In that era, Hayes would not have been allowed to even do an editorial.

  26. Make the USA a true democracy.
    Dump "the electoral college".

    Whoever gets the most votes should become President.

    I agree completely with Chris Hayes.

  27. The Electoral College does not lead the 49% to dictate to the 51%. As you correctly point out, Democrats are elected President about as frequently as Republicans in recent history. The Electoral College prevents 51-49 from being a tipping point.

  28. I understand how the electorate college works and the flaws it has, it’s not perfect. Republicans would try to get rid of it too if it was benefiting the democrats. It’s just so fun to see how the right is so afraid of “one person, one vote”.

  29. It's exactly BECAUSE every other election is decided by the person getting the most votes that the election of a President is done by the Electoral College! Cities would ruin rural areas IF they were allowed to govern them at the highest levels, just ask rural Oregonians how that works!

  30. Everything in the constitution would be unconstitutional if not in the constitution. I like the staff initiated applause breaks. Very Steve Jobs.

  31. So many uneducated replies saying the electoral college was made to give states the power to choose… This age old debate isn’t even a debate it was made because the founder fathers believed that the people would be unable to make democratic decisions by themselves. Thus the electoral college would protect the government and the people from themselves, a safeguard mechanism if you will. I will say on his point about senators that is the way it is for a reason, and we have representatives equivalent to the number of people we have. Understand that outdated systems need to be revisted, not removed, only reworked.

  32. Before you change voting laws you have to get rid of all their guns that way they cant oppose your armies. They will try financially to oppose you but most of the states that like the electoral college are poor. Shouldn't be to hard to destroy their lives and force submission under democratic rule.

  33. Guys watch this
    vid https://youtu.be/1XFIIVScvls
    the guy explains the collage more intelligent, and more coherent than this guy

  34. The level of sheer ignorance in this video is staggering. Clearly this individual and anyone who agrees with his position, hasn't actually read the US Constitution or Federalist Papers.

  35. TLDR

    The US currently has the most unpopular and unfit President ever due to the EC, in this comment section you will find special folks arguing in cyberspace as to why this is a great and functioning system.

  36. The reasoning of the electoral college is flawed because the electors don’t end up doing what the were supposed to do how many faithless electors have there been ever? Enough to ever alter an election? What would have happened if enough Republican electors decided you know what Trump is too unfit the responsible choice is Clinton and then elected her? Imagine the uproar?

  37. This has so many likes and the content of this video is sooo false, dangerous and stupid!
    The MSM and the Socialists are trying to instate a tyranny.

  38. The Electoral College keeps the country from being ran by the 4 most heavily populated cites. By sheer numbers, the majority of America would be ignored due to metropolites who say their ideas are wrong.

  39. Electoral college is just large scale gerrymandering… a problem that is running rampant all over the country at the state level which apparently the Supreme Court believes it is not "competent" enough to rule upon so we have to rely upon state courts to decide if they want to allow gerrymandering in their state or not (something a NC court just declared as against their state constitution so… theres one victory against gerrymandering, good for them!)

  40. It's funny how the likes/dislike ratio is positive, but the comments are the opposite. It's almost like the people who actually like this crap arent smart enough to know why they like it. Hmmm….

  41. 2:23 Your policies and ideals don't stand with the direction, the majority of the country wants to go. So some Republicans get mad. But average Americans are becoming what we call 'Woke'. Their eyes are being opened to corruption in Washington (yes in both parties, but who is talking about policy to change it), climate change, and issues of human rights.

  42. If you don't like the electoral college you have three choices, leave the country, try to change it LEGALLY, accept that it is there for a reason. We have WAY too many entitled badly educated adults in the US. I think we need to implement a mandatory six year stint in the military for all adults over the age of 18. Perhaps when they have seen what it takes to keep the freedom they might have a better appreciation for this country and freedom of the individual.

  43. Tell me why the state's don't have proportional voting? So if someone gets 49.999% and the other gets 50.111%, why do all seats go to the one with 50.111% instead of the majority one getting a little bit more of the votes. That would still keep the power of the votes intact but make sure Dems are heard in republican states and vice versa. That would also be much better than right now

  44. The constitution of may country is not a static document. It evolves with the times and people. Americans need to stop living in the late 1700s and modernize their constitution to fit a nation where everyone votes instead of where rich land owning white men do. And the Senate exists to provide equal seats to all states already. So your arguments are weak

  45. The founding fathers were people of their time. They weren't prophets. They had beliefs and acted on them like any human. They are relics now and of they came to the modern world, even they would say so

  46. There are so many other places in the world that are exactly the way you people want them. Why can't you just leave and go live there instead of trying to change and ruin the greatest most powerful country in the world?

  47. So then why don't we "one person, one vote" every piece of legislation up for consideration? Why elect a Congress to make the laws for us?

  48. One person one vote was a horrendous and indefensible ruling by the SCOTUS. Its a judicial monstrosity created by the Warren court with a monocular focus on a single issue, breaking apart the political power of the rural south in order to further desegregation. A noble goal but the unintended consequences have been detrimental to the nation as a whole.

    Madison and the rest of the framers were explicitly attempting to avoid the same pitfall of the late Roman Republic. Where power became centralized in the urban cities of Rome with rural Rome being further and further marginalized by the government. As the situation in Rural Rome got worse people were forced to move to the urban centers looking for work and the political power of rural Rome was further reduced due to population migration.

    That is why we have a Senate where each state has equal representation. So we do not end up in a situation like the Late Roman Republic where we have a positive feedback loop spinning power of the nation out of control.

    One person one vote may have been intended to help further desegregation but it also destroyed true bicameral legislatures in the states. And the states, especially the blue states, have mini Roman Republics going on right now. Rural New York has been decimated. The state government cares only for the interests of New York City. The decimation of Rural New York has caused a migration out of the rural areas which further increases the political power of New York City and worsens the problem. That is the exact situation that Madison and the rest were trying to avoid.

    Its untenable and will lead to the breakdown of the republic. It always does and has so for thousands of years.

  49. After reading the top comments, it seems to be a bunch of MSNBC bots upvoting their videos. Like somehow that makes Chris Hayes smart and know what he is talking about?

  50. Abolish the Electoral College, and all you'll need is…New York and California. Chris is right, the idea that people in less populated areas of the country should influence who becomes President is bizarre. Once the Electoral College is abolished…NY, CA and other more urban states will take control and we will no longer be held hostage by states with smaller populations.

  51. How about you… Get Andrew Yang's name right. How about you stop screwing with the Democratic process?
    Yang2020.com/policies

  52. The kids growing up today, with Trump in the WH, will never have the opportunity to improve our election process, or to provide any meaningful legislation for the near future. We will react to political chaos, and we will succumb to emotions and fear before we rally with the other side to make a world worthy for our children and grandchildren. This nation requires two or three generations to grow up remembering how politically ignorant and impotent so many of us currently are before we can rely on significant changes to our government to even begin.

    It took a revolution to start this nation, and it WILL take one or two to fix it. The Civil War was a failed revolution by the "wrong" side, and they've spent the past 150 years ruining our democracy for their satisfaction; just a little evidence that what we considered was a victory for the Union was actually just a delay in the inevitable. America will crumble, its people will divide, and it will take blood and guts to bring it back together. We can only hope and pray for the "right" people to win that challenge.

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